• LordR@kbin.social
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    Then vote for someone else in the primaries. But as soon as it is the general election it is either the democrat or fascism. Even if you don’t vote at all, it will just strengthen the fascist party.

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      You’re right about what we have to do, but are we even having primaries this time? Because of how the primary process was scheduled in 2020 Biden had the nomination all but locked up by the time I got to vote in them. I’m 100% voting for Biden, you can look into my comments and find me admonishing some asshole advocating for third party presidential candidates over Biden. But I do understand the frustration with having to vote again for someone I didn’t want the first time and isn’t representative of the direction I want the country to move in besides not wanting to be in a fascist theocracy.

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        That is a fair point. The primary system as well as the election system as a whole should probably reformedbut that is nearly impossible without flipping a lot of States.

        I’m from Switzerland and we had a similar voting system for a long time. It was only changed by implementing more ways for the populace to directly decide about matters in both the Cantons (States) and Switzerland as a whole. So this might be a good way to implement change as it gives people a specific matter to vote on.

        In Switzerland it was made possible by populists that wanted a more direct democracy.
        So I hope something like this is possible for the US as well as many things like legalized weed, abortion access, a good health insurance system or voting reforms often have a stable majority among the voters, they just don’t vote accordingly.

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          I hope so too, at this point I’m at a loss, based on my general observations about my country as a whole I don’t see any way that the changes the world desperately needs will happen because of the structure of our government alongside the culture of individualism that has led to the communal alienation we have for each other now. I don’t like how hopeless I’ve become but looking at things from a high level things are pretty bleak

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          The primaries are mostly determined by the parties. There will be a primary this year in New Hampshire where only the Republican result counts, because they Democrats reordered their primary schedule so New Hampshire wasn’t first and New Hampshire has a law saying they must hold theirs first. So their vote will happen but just doesn’t count.

          In the end it’s the parties that decide who their nominee will be, by the rules they make up, so that’s where reform needs to happen.

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            Then vote for politicans that you think will change that or advocate for direct democracy, join a union, strike there are many ways to get more political influence!

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              I’m not responding to say it can’t change, I’m explaining you how the primary half of the problem works. Changing a private organization is potentially easier than changing a law, but at the same time does not have a definite method of voting on it.

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      The electoral college decides who takes office. I vote third party because the popular vote doesn’t mean shit (in most states iirc) and I want to do my part to show, statistically, that the democrats need to move left. We can’t have two far-right parties in control of this country, and so long as they’re running with Biden that’s what they are.

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        Even in Europe the Democrats wouldn’t be considered to be far right. They are a big tent party spanning from center to left.

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          I have to disagree strongly with that first part, but of course that’s what they want people across the world to think- there is very little room for leftists in practice.

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        You should learn more about fascists then because that is obviously wrong.

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          I believe it’s largely a matter of interpreting the facts. if you have a bias that prevents you from from believing the Democrats could be fascist that might stand in your way of coming to the same conclusion I did.

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                The influence of the president on the FBI is quite limited.

                Feel free to suspect massive faschist influences in the FBI (like in most law enforcement organizations), as that is probably true. So unless you have a personal message from Biden to the Boss of the FBI, this is not evidence at all.

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                  it’s an executive agency. the chief executive absolutely has influence.

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                Put aside that you might sympathize with antifascist goals. From a law and order perspective, would you argue that the FBI is wrong? I don’t think so. Extremism in resisting fascism is kind of their thing.

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                  i am an insurrectionary anarchist. i believe laws are bad, and the fbi is the jackbooted gestapo.