Israel's government and Hamas agreed on Wednesday to a four-day pause in fighting to allow the release of 50 hostages held in Gaza in exchange for 150 Palestinians imprisoned in Israel, and the entry of humanitarian aid into the besieged enclave.

GAZA/TEL AVIV, Nov 22 (Reuters) - Israel’s government and Hamas agreed on Wednesday to a four-day pause in fighting to allow the release of 50 hostages held in Gaza in exchange for 150 Palestinians imprisoned in Israel, and the entry of humanitarian aid into the besieged enclave.

  • hydro033@kbin.social
    4324·
    7 months ago

    I don’t really know what Hamas and Haniyeh and Sinwar want

    Are you serious? They want the complete destruction of Israel. Have you never read anything Hamas has put out?

    • PugJesus@kbin.social
      206·
      7 months ago

      I think they might mean “want in an immediate sense”. Even Hamas isn’t deluded enough to think that they’re capable of destroying Israel at this moment.

      • Alto@kbin.social
        116·
        7 months ago

        No, but they knew exactly what the Israeli reaction would be, and that said reaction would end up providing a wave of freshly minted fighters.

        • PugJesus@kbin.social
          136·
          7 months ago

          Yeah, but I mean, what is their goal now? Like, in the next few months kind of immediate, the kind of immediate that would cause them to accept a truce? Freshly minted fighters don’t mean much if Israel gets away with ethnic cleansing, after all.

          • Mrkawfee@lemmy.worldEnglish
            103·
            7 months ago

            Goal now is to get Israel to withdraw and use hostages to extract concessions including the release of kidnapped Palestinians in Israeli jails and humanitarian aid for beleaguered civilians. The military hostages are probably the highest value from a negotiation standpoint and will be kept the longest.

          • Threeme2189@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1413·
            7 months ago

            Rebuild all of their terror infrastructure and plan the next murder/rape/kidnapping of Israeli citizens.

      • Mrkawfee@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1413·
        7 months ago

        Yes Israel paints them as Nazi Isis but it’s more accurate to view them as the Viet Cong. They are fighting an anti colonial war.

    • Alto@kbin.social
      1611·
      7 months ago

      There’s a handful of people that really don’t want to acknowledge that

      • jaybone@lemmy.worldEnglish
        711·
        7 months ago

        And these 150 prisoners are Hamas terrorists that will be exchanged for 50 innocent civilians.

        So hamas will have more terrorists on their side to fan the flames for Netinyahu’s next response.

        • neeshie@lemmy.worldEnglish
          105·
          7 months ago

          They’re Palestinian women and children, not terrorists. It’s a trade of innocents for innocents

          • LaLiLuLuCo@lemmy.caEnglish
            94·
            7 months ago

            13 women mostly convicted of stabbings.

            Edit: 33 women are on the list of 300 total, I counted the Hebrew source material myself. 15+ is of those with stabbing charges and convictions or general attempted murder.

            Overwhelming majority of minors did fucked up shit.

            https://www.gov.il/he/Departments/DynamicCollectors/is-db?skip=0

            https://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinian-just-convicted-of-stabbing-her-neighbor-may-be-freed-in-hamas-deal/

              • LaLiLuLuCo@lemmy.caEnglish
                67·
                7 months ago

                OK, terrorist. Attempting murder is bad.

                They picked this set because Hamas asked for this set. The actual convicted murders weren’t allowed to be released.

                There’s no hostages in Israel, there’s people being processed by the courts. If you think the wait times are bad go check out Japan and claim they have hostages, or the US prison system with constitutional slave labor and barely any public defenders with the largest per capita prison pop in the world.

                There’s something like 50 women total held.

                All of these people get charged there’s a reason almost no one on the list is there for more than 2 years without being tried in civil court. The military tribunal cases convert over when they get processed. They were charged and their charges are listed in the database.

                • neeshie@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  54·
                  7 months ago

                  I mean if anti settler violence is terrorism then yea I wholeheartedly support terrorism. Settlers should not be there.

                  Also idc who does it. If someone is held without charges in prison, they’ve been taken hostage by the state.

          • jaybone@lemmy.worldEnglish
            25·
            7 months ago

            They are terrorists.

            Israel didn’t kidnap them for no reason. Unlike what Hamas does.

            Go vote for Trump and believe in fake news.

            • neeshie@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              7 months ago

              The over a thousand people held without charges would disagree with you. Are trusted human rights organizations fake news now?

    • Andy@slrpnk.netEnglish
      35·
      7 months ago

      This is so dumb and reductive, though.

      First, that goal is like trying to drink the ocean. It’s obviously impossible, so it’s not useful as an indicator for what they’ll agree to.

      Second, we hear this over and over, but the only citation is their founding document over thirty years ago. And in 2006 they went through a moderate rebrand, and then a lot of people in the org died, and Sinwar spent two decades in Israeli prison, so… that doesn’t really tell us where they’re at in this moment.

      Folks act like they’re orcs. Just mindlessly evil. They’re definitely completely ruthless, but the stuff they do isn’t that different from what the IRA did, and they still made peace. So what does Sinwar want? Has anyone thought to ask?