• yukichigai@kbin.social
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    1 year ago

    I mean what’s worse: using a human shield, or deciding “nah fuck them kids shoot through them anyway.”

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      1 year ago

      What if they were shooting your kids while hiding behind their own? Would you let them keep doing it while insisting that reprisals are off limits?

      • Ð Greıt Þu̇mpkin@lemm.ee
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        There’s an infinite spectrum between “not shooting children” and “letting the other guy shoot yours”

        Also, this “oh we’re so much better and civilized” act really falls short when it has to be explained to you why shooting children is still bad even when you do it.

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        False dilemma. There are ways to react that don’t involve shooting children.

        Even if there weren’t, I wouldn’t say “yeah shoot some children.”

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        Yeah, this is the problem I’m having with people picking sides. It’s a giant crap-pile of the worst of humanity. People act like there’s a good side. Nah, everything’s a mess of generational hatred and I hate it all.

        There needs to be a cease-fire. Hamas needs to release all hostages and then be permanently removed from power in Gaza, and Israel needs to help the Palestinians rebuild what has been destroyed, burry their dead with dignity and respect, and heavily compensate the families of those who have died.

        The whole thing is out of control

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        Hamas barely has any power against Israel and two wrongs don’t make a right. Killing children is off limits period. Dosen’t matter who is hiding behind them. Also the children are not Hamas’s kids. If you decide to shoot a innocent child you deserve go to hell there is no buts.

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          Hamas barely has any power against Israel

          Indeed. It would be nice if they would acknowledge the reality of their situation. Maybe they would release the hostages, lay down arms, and sue for peace, if they acknowledged as you do that they don’t have any hope against winning against Israel with violence.

          the children are not Hamas’s kids.

          The children that they hide behind are Palestinian children. Hamas is the government of Gaza and every citizen there is under their jurisdiction and control until they are deposed; i.e., “theirs.”

          two wrongs don’t make a right

          War is always ethically shitty, but I see no other option for Israel at this point. If they don’t meet violence with violence and achieve meaningful objectives to keep themselves safe in response to Hamas’ mass slaughter, it’s just begging for more of the same in the future. War is what happens when deterrence fails, perhaps this will serve as an example to those who would consider attacking Israel next time of the consequences.

          If you decide to shoot a innocent child you deserve go to hell there is no buts.

          Israel’s intention is not to shoot children being used as shields. It is to neutralize the one shooting from behind them, even if there’s significant risk of hitting a human shield. This devalues the strategy and discourages such people from using human shields in the future. It’s the same reason one does not negotiate for hostages, it encourages future hostage taking. You let this be a viable strategy that deters reprisal, expect more of it.

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        Yes? What kind of question is that? If you answer no to that you’re saying I’m no better than them, and if you’re ok with that then what is your moral high ground here?

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          really? you would let them continue killing your kids? tell me you don’t have kids without telling me you don’t have kids 😆