• TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id
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    1 year ago

    I love how most of the comments here are about how much everyone hates Hillary rather than about what she actually said. I get it that people hate her, but let’s be real folks; Trump is the only relevant clear and present danger here. removed about Hillary seems pretty pointless at this point.

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      1 year ago

      I hear you. What she said is correct. The thing is, this person is so unlikeable that there’s no way she can help. No matter how sharp you are, or how good of an elected official you’ll be (and I do think she would have been extremely good at her job if she was elected (I did vote for her)), you must have charisma to be effective in politics.

      I honestly believe in my heart that if she paid millions for widespread TV ads with her saying “do not vote for Donald Trump” it would help him.

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        1 year ago

        What she said is correct.

        But it’s not though. The sentiment is in the right place but she got her facts wrong.

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        Again, you are focusing on her rather than on what she actually said. That’s what I find so telling and unfortunate. Are we really so shallow and politically inept that we can’t hear a message simply because we dislike the messenger?

        It seems like you are telling me yes, that’s exactly how shallow and politically inept we are.

        If so, that sucks, especially since you are almost certainly correct.

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      1 year ago

      Thank you!

      removed about Hillary is how Trump got elected in the first place.

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      A Hillary win would have saved the Supreme Court. Now we are on precarious ground. There was no disadvantage in her winning

      Let’s face it - had she won, things would be way better than they are, and we wouldn’t be in the constant fascist danger we are now.

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        1 year ago

        Yep, you can blame the Dems and Clinton herself 100% for that one, given that we know Bernie would have won. She is directly responsible for things being as bad as they are.

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          given that we know Bernie would have won

          You don’t know that at all. You didn’t see the playbook against him.

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            True, but to pretend the Democrats didn’t actively sabotage their most popular candidate in favor of the “safe” choice… twice… is a stretch.

            I voted for Biden. Will vote again.

            Voted for Hilary, too.

            Not because I wanted to. Democrats don’t seem to want to do much beyond maintain the status quo, at least at the presidential level.

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              Bernie was not their most popular candidate. This is an internet Fable. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries#Graphical_summary_of_polling

              It makes my head spin that people think Bernie lost because he couldn’t overcome the most standard political maneuverings of the Democrats, and yet he would somehow overcome the political maneuverings of the Republican party which plays far dirtier than the Democratic party does. Does everyone forget the Bush Campaign spreading rumors that John McCain’s adopted Bangladeshi daughter was actually an illegitimate Black child from an affair? Or how about when they turned John Kerry’s service in Vietnam into a something he only did for fame?