“Every day Biden chooses to fund genocide, he loses support,” said Sunrise Movement.

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    From the perspective of realpolitik, I’m not convinced abandoning support for Israel will win him more votes from pro-Palestine groups than he loses from pro-Israel groups. Lots of moderate Americans support Israel implicitly.

    Either way, it’s politically costly with no upside for him. I think Biden’s only hope on this file is for the Gaza war to end quickly before the next election, but I don’t see that happening. Looks like Israel’s plan is an indefinite multi-year occupation of Gaza under an authoritarian police state.

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      If you asked the average American what the difference was between Palestine, Hamas, Hezbollah and AL Queda, they wouldn’t know. I’m not saying that’s a good thing, but there sure are a lot of media articles that seem to be based on an American populace that doesn’t match up to their logic.

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      In the perspective of realpolitik, he’s fucked anyways. He’s down >10 points with young voters, and currently below Trump in swing states polling (just 1 so far, could be meaningless as a metric, but still relevant). DNC will support Israel because they’re a major political donor. The Ds went too hard to fast early in this conflict and it’s too late to backpedal. He’ll have to try really hard to either try to win back the young votes, or appeal to the moderates and never-Trump Republicans.

      This whole election cycle is bizarre, nobody wants neither Trump nor Biden. Their favorability is abysmal, one’s about to go to jail while the other appears to be half dead. I honestly wish we had decent 3rd party infrastructure and rank choice voting, but I don’t think we’ll be breaking through this 2 party bs this cycle.

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        If a third party stood any chance for president, this coming election would be the one. However, I wouldn’t advise anyone to do so unless you really don’t have the slightest preference somehow. There isn’t a chance, it’s just better than every other time but still 0.

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      Maybe looking for ceasefire? Accountability of how Isreal use billions of dollars? Maybe Nato can go there and slowly stop hamas with targetd attack?

      There are a lot of options the biggest military in the world can decide on, and yet he doesn’t show any sign of compassion or remorse of innocent human life.

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        Just FYI Israel isn’t in NATO, though it is part of the Mediterranean Dialogue.

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        I think neither will work in his favor politically. But honestly, given what I know about the American electorate, I unfortunately suspect that “pro-genocide” may be politically safer.

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    sure, they will all go vote for… the other guy with the exact same stance except even worse?

    stupid claim

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      The third party (probably the Greens). Or not vote at all when they otherwise would have - that still means a lost vote for Biden. Young voters tend to be far less willing to accept the compromises imposed by first past the post voting systems.

      The threat to Democrats is real.

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        Those people are stupid and will only make things worse for themselves.

        If they do withhold votes which gets the Republican nominee elected, they’ll probably come to regret it if they have two brain cells to rub together.

        People said for years to stop fucking around or we’ll lose abortion rights. Well….

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      A-fucking-men.

      They do this shit because they know they have us by the short hairs. “What are you going to do, vote for the actual fascists? You’re going to vote for Mr.Corposhill bombyMcBombsalesman and like it.”

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      So by taking voters for granted you lose them. Condescend more, it will never stop working.

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      I am done voting for the lesser evil.

      All it does is increase the overall evil.

      We have been increasing the overall evil for FAR too long.

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            Yes, by making the voter turnout abysmal.

            Don’t give ANY corrupt assholes the stats to allow them to claim they are what America wants.

            If you have noone worth voting for, be loudly disenfranchised.

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              If you have noone worth voting for, be loudly disenfranchised.

              This is an excellent quote and fits the situation perfectly

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              The DNC is clandestine.

              They hold a primary election to make you feel involved, then they throw a party and put forth whoever they feel like it.

              Same model as the electoral college but with zero accountability instead of virtually no accountability.

              All your vote does is inform The Party that you are buying their horseshit.

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                Ok what is your solution? Or are you just trying to stir things up and then give up?

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                  A vote isn’t a say in anything in particular.

                  A vote is raising your hand in the attendance check.

                  Stop giving corrupt people your attendance.

                  Register independent. Vote on laws, not people. Pray the fire smothers without your fuel (your vote) so that we can finally build anew.

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          You support fuckers that literally run ads for far right politicians like Trump, helping them win their primaries so they can get the “easy” win. Not to mention the corruption and the utter fucking stupidity that went into nominating people like Hillary and Biden over Bernie TWO ELECTIONS IN A ROW!

          You got trump into office, and your hostile attitude towards people who don’t unconditionally kiss democrat ass will ensure he returns. I hope some day you realize that and it makes you feel absolutely fucking horrible for making so much horrible shit happen

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            you don’t know who the fuck i support. i’m just telling you what i saw. you’re either extremely reactionary or arguing in bad faith. kindly fuck off.

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            I voted 3rd party in 2016, and guess what happened? Outside of organizing some massive vote for a 3rd party candidate, all you’re doing is preaching to the choir. Ineffectively.

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          I don’t care.

          Lesser evil rhetoric is horse-shit.

          Not to mention Hilary wouldn’t have been any better. If she got in office we would probably still be balls deep in war with Syria. She rigged the DNC and ushered in Trump.

          Don’t regret not voting for her. I do regret voting for Biden’s genocide though.

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        you can be done with it as much as you like but that doesn’t change reality… FPTP is absolute shit: vote for the lesser evil or you get the greater evil… that’s just the way it is

        want something different? you have to change the system first

        that’s just reality. deal with it or vulnerable people die and hate wins

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          Also, the only people even considering changing the system are the democrats. The democrats actually do have some forward looking people. The establishment sucks though.

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            it’s literally in their interests too: given how completely rigged the republicans have made things, changing the system is the democrats best selfish choice

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          Biden, your lesser evil, is making America bankroll the murdering of Palestinian children.

          If you vote for Biden, you are making yourself accomplice in that.

          Yes. Change the system. Stop voting for The Party.

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            cool cool cool so vote for trump and things get even worse for the palestinians

            again, reality is fucked but that doesn’t change that it’s reality… work within the bounds of what’s possible rather than pissing into the wind because you don’t like the options

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        Vote harderer Melkath! This time will be different then the last 13 times. Promise. Trust the neoliberal plan. It hasn’t… failed……us……… yet.

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          Voting hard just enshrined abortion rights into the constitution of Ohio, which will save quite a lot of women’s lives.

          Dunno if you care about that, but hey, I bet the women who would otherwise be destitute mothers or dead are happy with it.

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    I’m voting for Vermin Supreme. Don’t know where I’ll keep a pony but that’s something I can worry about later.

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    So, are they going to vote for a federal abortion ban, fascism, a hot civil war, and rollbacks of everything even marginally progressive?

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    Can you imagine an ad with Biden’s full throated support for Hamas/Palestine backed by pictures of the babies Hamas murdered in their cribs? Biden would get slaughtered for that.

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      I won’t have to imagine the ads with pictures of kids being pulled from the rubble in Gaza with graphics of Biden supporting a genocide, interspersed with audio of him speaking of beheaded babies and unreliable death counts. That’s going to happen.

      Edit: Don’t think I didn’t notice “Hamas/Palestine” . They are not the same.

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        Edit: Don’t think I didn’t notice “Hamas/Palestine” . They are not the same.

        Polling suggests that Palestinians support Hamas over Fatah 53% to 14% as of last year. If there were an election today, Hamas would take over the West Bank and retain control of Gaza.

        I won’t have to imagine the ads with pictures of kids being pulled from the rubble in Gaza with graphics of Biden supporting a genocide, interspersed with audio of him speaking of beheaded babies and unreliable death counts. That’s going to happen.

        In the primaries maybe, but not in the General.

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          Cool genocide justification bro. About half of respondents to some poll supported the biggest political force in Palestine.

          What if america was being bombed because there are so many republican voters, and that party harbors dispicable terrorists who do mass shootings.

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            Thanks for shielding me from whatever disgusting representation of a human that is. Your sacrifice will be remembered.

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            Hey I’m in support of cutting off all stuff to Gaza until they conduct elections, but the UN doesn’t agree. Until they are no longer the defacto recipient of all the aid and political power of the Strip; they are responsible for their subjects.