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    How is it even possible that the choice between the coup attempting, fascist imbecile with nearly 100 felony charges against him, and the moderate, business-as-usual incumbent can even be in doubt?

    Edit: forgot to mention his malignant narcissism

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      Fifty years spent destroying education and enriching the ruling class so they could afford to spread propaganda freely.

      We’re in deep shit.

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      Fox News and conservative talk radio. These people only watch and listen to it. They get no inputs from anywhere else.

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      It’s possible because as a country, USA suffer a serious mental illness, causing a huge part of Americans to have a distorted view of reality, and consider sociopathy a virtue and a sign of strength and righteousness.
      This is why they can’t agree on basic things like gun control even for assault rifles, minorities are stripped of simple human rights, they don’t have universal healthcare, and states are allowed to punish abortion as a crime, even when done legally.
      Republicans and the Christian right are insane with control, and have gone full authoritarian.

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      Republicans automatically vote against their own interest because Sean Hannity tells them to, while Democrats must be constantly persuaded to vote for candidates who they perceive as being less than perfect.

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      Democrats have basically done everything possible do discourage any enthousiasm in there base. Or campaigning on any issue. Even vs Trump you need more than “this is just an old DNC guy who won’t do anything” to get party volunteers campaigning.

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        Seems like they’ve been campaigning pretty hard on abortion access. Not sure what else a party that covers moderate right and center with a few moderate lefts could all get excited about. Federal legalization of Marijuana might be popular enough.

        I’d like to see more progressive campaigns but unfortunately it seems like the party needs everyone who isn’t far right to have a chance of beating the christo-fascists. It seems so much harder to motivate voter turnout for Democrats. You can’t just feed them anger, hate and fear, you have to convince them you’re actually going to make things better.

        I didn’t want Biden but isn’t that who the party voted for in the primary? I guess after Trump, a boring, return to normal sounded good to people and I haven’t heard of anyone else running for the Democratic nomination that’s even worth consideration. We had the anti-vaccine loon with zero experience, the congressman I’d never heard of who can’t name anything he would do differently than Biden and was so incompetent he missed the filing deadline to be on the ballot in some states and the lady who also has no experience but seems like she believes in healing crystals. The whole party is a complicated mess but I still find it almost incomprehensible that there is a still a serious possibility of Trump being elected again.

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          primary elections aren’t free and fail, as we were reminded in 2016 and 2020. we don’t really have a choice on who becomes the nominee

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        Democrat PACs have also funded ads on behalf of the most insane Republican candidates with the hope that they’d be easier to beat if they get the nomination. Something like this happened with Hillary and Trump, they wanted him to get the nomination, what a laughingstock the Republicans would be in that case. The insane candidates get increased legitimacy this way, but Democrats want to be able to point to the opponent and call them an extremist, it’s a legitimate strategy that has worked for them, but they don’t or can’t address the broader effect this is having over time.

        The Democrats also tell this story that doesn’t land with many voters now, like everything is actually okay and it’s the Republicans who are to blame, or it’s because people aren’t comfortable enough to be authentically themselves or some bs. The general economic arrangements are actually fine, as long as people of different identities are distributed within them equally.

        There’s also for the first time in America’s history an ideological consensus within each party, that’s basically come about during the last 30 years. All the “checks and balances” the founders envisioned break in this scenario. A single faction/party can control all branches of government and do whatever they want. When Biden started in politics there were segregationist Democrats for instance, there wasn’t this broad party identity that aligned behind a single shared view.

        Then a lot of this condenses down in to the stupidest do-nothing argument that, “if you don’t vote for Biden you’re helping the fascists.” It doesn’t appreciate how voting is the bare minimum of political engagement and barely matters unless you’re in a very specific location. So people spend all this time getting upset around the vote, and any complaints about Biden or Democrats is equated to helping the fascists. Don’t talk about these problems because it will make Trump look good! Downward spiral thinking all the way.

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      “I’d rather shoot myself in the dick than let the damn Libruls do it to me”

      — Those people

      Little do they know, it’s the people they’re voting for who are going to do it to them.

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    Please no. The first time was fucking hell for my mental health. I lost friends and family members to his insane cult. Please don’t do this again :(

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      No. Public sentiment can change in a week. Just look at GW Bush and his popularity before and after 9/11.

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      The democratic party thought it wasn’t relevant in 2015/2016. Turns out they were pretty damned wrong about that.

      So yeah, I’d say it’s very relevant.

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    Remember that polling only collects data from people who respond to polls. How many of you don’t have landlines? How many of you don’t answer your cell phone if it’s from an unknown number?

    The only poll that matters is the one where you cast your ballot. Participate in that one.

    Edit: And you know that nobody would ever spoil a poll.

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      The results from PA’s midterm election will be more interesting. There’s a bunch of loonies trying to get on school boards and an anti-choicer running for state Supreme Court, so Dems may overperform.

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        I’m in IL, in a district which is in between suburban and rural. Last year the crazy fucks tried to take over our school board, too. Like there was a statewide effort entirely focused here. This was in an off-year minor election, and those tend to have very low turnout.

        None of them were elected. The communication about these chucklefucks was strong, and it got enough sane people to go to the polls. If there’s an organization in your area that does that kind of communication, go help them. It matters.

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        Well, I can tell you that I don’t vote for loonies trying to on school boards or anti-choicers running for state Supreme Court.

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      Polling hasn’t been restricted to land lines for a long time. The people who run polls for a living aren’t idiots.

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        People guard their cell phone numbers a whole lot more than they did land line numbers, and even if the pollster is picking numbers at random, my very next sentence addresses that:

        How many of you don’t answer your cell phone if it’s from an unknown number?

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    The polls of 3,662 registered voters were conducted by telephone using live operators

    Think of the people you know who would actually answer a call from an unknown number and sit on the line with a stranger while they ask questions. Tell me some other things about them.

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    In 1000 years from now (if humanity survives that long, which is increasingly unrealistic), historians will look back on this time period and study it as the largest scale mass occurrence of Stockholm syndrome the world has ever ever seen.

    The people supporting trump have somehow been convinced to fall in love with their oppressors. It’s mind blowing to be witness to it.

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    Oh, just saw Sabby Sabs talked about this.

    Swing states are leaning toward Trump this time around.

    Looks like it is getting closer to a three way race, RFK Jr. is hitting above 20 pts. according to polls.

    Independents support for RFK Jr. increased after leaving dems.

    When Dr. West and RFK Jr. are included in the poll questions, the numbers move around also.

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      Cornell West’s heart is in the right place but I pray he sees the light and drops out.

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        If you think West’s heart is in the right place then your brain must be in the wrong place. West’s a smart guy, and he knows exactly what he’s doing.

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          I would have said that West was smart 6-9 months ago. But flirting with the dumpster fire that is the Progressive Party, then jumping into and then back out of the Green Party, and finally settling on being an independent with zero ballot access is a decision path that changed my mind about the practical nature of West’s mind.

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    Should Democrats be concerned about the possibility of Trump winning? Yes. Anyone who didn’t learn from 2016 is an imbecile.

    That said, polls a year before the election-and therefore a year before we plaster the airwaves with a billion $+ in advertising, before Trump is a convicted felon, aren’t worth much. We also should have learned from the “RED WAVE!!1!” fantasies of 2022.

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      We also should have learned from the “RED WAVE!!1!” fantasies of 2022.

      This is an incredibly important point. Rupert knows why, but the media want you to believe that Trump is far more popular than he actually is. They are invested in the drama, which drives engagement. They should be focused on the fact that he’s embroiled in a RIDICULOUS number of court cases and how no one should be taking him seriously as a function of that. If that was the message they were repeating 24/7, his polling would be at 25%.

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    Those polls are rigged, republicans ship over their people from neighboring states to falsefy those polls just like they faked the election in 2016.

    A lot of these republicans carry numerous fake passports to skew these polls. Wouldn’t be surprised if Trump is planing on stealing the next election with the backing of his Saudi and Russian friends.

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      I guess thanks for the reminder that not all batshit insane nutjobs vote Republican?

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        Did we forget about how Democrats had control of both houses of Congress when Biden was elected, yet still failed to accomplish anything significat?

        And Manchin is still head of the energy committee, hes on appropriations and armed services too… If Democrats actually wanted to push back on his obstructionism they would have stripped his committee assignments. They haven’t, making it obvious that they want to keep him around as the current rotating villain.

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          You mean Biden’s good friend? The one who blocked basically all of Biden’s so called agenda.

          Biden didn’t want any of his own policy agenda to pass. And it didn’t. But now he’s saying oh I guess there’s nothing that could have been done.

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        There are plenty of things he could do and there are plenty of things he could talk about. He’s doing some of the former (union stuff for example), though he could do more, and fuck all (positive) of the latter. We’ll see how it plays out in the actual election but his PR is kinda ass right now.

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          Can you name some specific things? Genuinely curious what he has the authority to do that wouldn’t be unpopular enough to get Trump elected again? Because if the guy who cares about the rule of law and presidential norms can do anything you can bet your ass the guys who don’t will undo it.

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            Anything the President of the United States says is broadcast on media everywhere.

            He hasn’t fought for anything. He still calls Manchen his good friend, while throwing his hands up and saying there’s nothing he can do?

            Biden is basically a Republican

            But…. Better than trump I guess? I’m not voting for neoliberals anymore. Nor will I support a president who supports the apartheid government of Israel even as it commits ongoing genocide

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      You haven’t been paying attention. Just the fact that the signed a bill to make the gov negotiate drug prices is massive! Dems have been trying to do that for 30 years…

      Remember when he knocked down gas prices conservatives were complaining about?

      The list goes on. I don’t even like Biden but your implication is simply wrong here.

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      Like the infrastructure bill that Trump and presidents before him harped on for years and never delivered on?