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Terrorist settler kills Palestinian harvesting olives on his land. Terrorist settler: how could Hamas do this?
Where is the Palestinian right to self defence?
But then when the guy’s son picks up an AK and takes revenge he is a terrorist
When you don’t provide a political solution to a situation, people will resort to non-political solutions.
They did provide a political solution. The response was a wave of terrorism.
The Palestinian Authority signed up to a peace agreement, recognised Israel, renounced violence but the Israelis continued expanding settlements and their ethnic cleansing.
Which one?
If he murders the person who murdered his father he would be a murderer.
If he murders random civilians who were unrelated to the incident, then yes. He is a terrorist.
Terror is terror. There is no excuse for intentionally targeting civilians. It’s murder at best, and terrorism at worst.
So according to your logic, the Israelian gunman is a terrorist, because he murdered a random civilian based on racial hatred.
If it was unprovoked (likely, but I’ll hold out until more evidence comes to light), and it was a random civilian (sounds likely), and it was based on racial hatred (yeah, that tracks 100%), then yes - this is terrorism. He’ll probably only get charged with murder because it was only one person, but that’s a failing of legal codes rather than moral ones.
But according to your explanation what happened on 7th of October is also not an act of terrorism because it was provoked by years of ill treatment, human rights violations and targeted killings, source Wikipedia, countless of human rights watch groups, etc. (I am not trying to justify the killings that Hamas did at all. What they did was horrible!)
I am just saying that there are double standards when it comes to violence justifications. So Israel is morally right to kill 5 times more civilians and counting, destroy civilian infrastructure, people’s houses, create humanitarian crises, but when Palestine is committing some violence that’s terrorism.
Don’t you see how cynical all this is, human life is priceless no matter religion, ethnicity, the colour of the skin or the sexual orientation of the person! And we should value this equally and not have double standards.
I will also leave this here: https://www.yesh-din.org/en/category/occupation-policies/
If it was unprovoked
What’s the proper and just provocation for legal murder?
if it was provoked then it might only be murder, not terrorism.
If that settler goes to jail for murder as he should in a civilized society then sure, but if it’s a lawless society and he doesn’t go to jail then what you’re saying is irrelevant partisan labeling.
I refuse to not call things as they are; it’s called having principles, not “irrelevant partisan labeling”.
If the settler doesn’t go to prison, he’s still a murderer.
That’s exactly why the IDF is functionally a terrorist organization. A terrorist organization that mandates service of citizens no less. Despicable.
Your point would hold more weight if this was the only example of such an incident. His father wasn’t the first person he knew who was killed by an Israeli soldier…the same group that’s kept him behind barbed wire fences his whole life.
I’m not excusing it but you’re way oversimplifying it. How could you blame a kid for demonizing all Israelis with all that he’s seen? It’s not like he’s been allowed to mingle with the good citizens of Israel even if they’re the majority
I’m not excusing it but you’re way oversimplifying it. How could you blame a kid for demonizing all Israelis with all that he’s seen?
This is the most depressing part in some ways. Hamas indoctrinates the kids and teaches them to hate all Jewish people and that all are to blame. How do you deprogram them from that, especially when they see so many people dying in airstrikes?
Here’s an example of it that seems credible from a decade ago.
https://www.memri.org/tv/indoctrination-children-animated-film-hamas-tv
The members of Hamas who killed and butchered and kidnapped innocent people grew up being taught to gleefully shoot their enemy and that their enemy was everyone.
I can’t think of a feasible solution, and I problem solve for a living. It really upsets me that there’s just no real path to peace.
You think a kids cartoon was what caused them to hate Israel, and not witnessing the IDF killing their friends and family as they grew up?
You have to be taking the piss.
Not at all. The kids cartoon was propaganda to misdirect their hate. Hating Israel for the IDF slaughtering their loved ones? That’s a given. But hating Israeli civilians and Jews for that? That’s the propaganda teaching them to direct their hate at everyone else, not just those responsible.
It’s very basic manipulation. People who are hurting emotionally or economically are more easy to convince that all of X is to blame for their problems.
It’s not oversimplified. It’s a statement of principles.
The reality of our world is that murderers walk free all the time. But saying “x caused y and we should fix the root cause of this” is wildly different than saying “can you blame him?” Because the answer to that is yes! You can blame him for choosing violence and choosing terror.
What did this hypothetical boy choose violence over? What should he have done instead?
If you truly believe that violence is the only answer the Palestinians have, then you’ve given up any hope for peace.
Feel free to answer my question on what other choice the boy has but to fight.
Because the only other option I see in this boy is to die. Either self-inflicted, at the hands or those who liked your father, or slowly by starvation and disease.
I’ll answer your question and hopefully you’ll answer mine.
The hypothetical boy could choose life. He could work in agriculture, or study, or literally just live his life. Palestinians are not starving on a daily basis, and certainly not in the west bank. He can go on with his life, get married, have kids, and literally choose to move on and not take violent revenge.
Now my question for you: do you support Hamas?
I ask because It sounds like you drank the Hamas koolaid. Their charter literally state that every Palestinian must engage in violent resistance, and have no alternative.
The “him” is this the Israeli or the Palestinian? Or both?
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I don’t “agree” with it (I am just not making a judgment), but terrorism is frequently useful.
Terrorism is a tool used by any revolutionary group to force change to be enacted. It really just depends on if the revolutionary group is successful whether they’re called terrorists after the fact.
It’s also utilized by every nation to enforce order, but they just don’t call it that and they control the media. Terrorism is only called that when it’s the tools of the oppressor are used by the oppressed. Israel had killed 22.4x more Palestinians than Israelis had been killed by 2020. I think it only got worse since then, but this is the data I saw first. It’s definitely way worse now.
Terrorism is literally the tool Israel used to force their state to exist. They used to bomb Arab homes and target British colonialists in the 40’s.
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Trailer Park Boys: Homeland edition.
If only the Israelis could be paid $100 to fuck off
In total, since 2005, only 3% of investigation files opened following ideologically motivated offenses Israelis committed against Palestinians in the West Bank led to convictions.
Let that sink in!
Those 3% of genocidal terror israelis probably forgot to condemn Hamas
I thought the scripture was quite clear with that whole “Thou shalt not kill” part…
Ah, but that says not to kill people. It says nothing about killing rats! /s
Seriously, though, that’s exactly why we’re so capable of committing atrocities: we dehumanize each other until we consider it acceptable to kill. Portraying Jews as rats and subhuman is exactly how the Holocaust happened, and portraying Palestinians as subhuman is exactly how Israel is currently doing what they’re doing.
Thou shalt not kill people. They don’t consider Palestinians people.
Nah it’s ok god is always on their side. (Any group that does terrorist shit)
Jewish scripture always left room for murder.
This book, popular among the Israeli religious right, shows that their thinking (that segment) is much like Da’esh but for Jews: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torat_Hamelekh
Even Al Qaeda thought that killings at least needed a reason.
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From what I understand, the colonists usually are, though.
We all know terrorist can’t read.
Why were the settlers there? Why were they carrying guns there?
They try to defend themselves with “they were throwing rocks at us”, but that clearly indicates they were up to something untoward there in the first place.
It’s a bit of the same old story.
Israeli settlers: Dangerous terrorists attacking law enforcement, must be repressed without reservation.
Rest of the world: Kids throwing pebbles at an armored vehicle because they hate those who killed or screwed over many of their acquaintances, without even a scratch or hindering their work.
They’re not out there trying to win hearts and minds, that’s for sure.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlement
Just a reminder that Palestinians attack wasn’t just out of the blue, Israel has been slowly killing and driving them out from their land for as long as they’ve been there.
The international community consider Israeli settlements to be illegal under international law, though Israel disputes this.
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Massacring 1400 innocents and kidnapping 200 more never has justification.
There’s a difference between justifications and reasons. I’m exhausted seeing people use the fact that atrocities are unjustified to hand wave away the reasons and circumstances that led to those atrocities.
The massacring of innocents isn’t justified, but the reason it happened isn’t that people magically became evil. The reason is that enduring apartheid oppression pushes people to extremism.
This right here
So many people see you saying “these are the reasons X happened” as you supporting X happening.
Just because you can see the reasons why something happened doesn’t mean you support whatever happened.
Which is exactly what the UN rep said and then was banned from Israel. They don’t want to ruining the narrative of being prosecuted for “no reason”. The UN has said multiple crimes that Israel have done things to fan the flames here.
But don’t you know that Israel has the most moral army in the world. They can’t be doing anything wrong, right? /a (in case it isn’t immediately obvious)
Benjamin Netanyahu says Israel’s army is “the most moral army in the world” https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wUIUVCWyecU
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It’s a skill issue. It’s takes intelligence to conceptualize an issue or idea without accepting it. Seems many people talking about Israel/Palestine (in terms of everyday people) just aren’t bright enough to break it down for themselves.
The whole thing is a legit clusterfuck. Israel has been commiting war crimes against Palestinians for as long as I’ve been alive, and Palestine’s de facto government is a legit terrorist organization who has done some unforgivable things. In the middle you have everyday people suffering for no reason beyond being born in the “wrong” place, and being further radicalized by unconscionable IDF actions. There’s no good guy on either side (in terms of those capable of taking action on a collective scale), and that breaks the brains of some. People ignorantly want a cut and dry solution, and a bad side to rail against, much more than they want to actually understand the issue and it’s causes.
I tried to trace this conflict back through history to find a root cause, and I made it to the Russian revolution era without finding one.
The Balfour Declaration was what started the specific conflict in the region, because the British wanted to grow their sphere of influence through a growing population of Jews there. The Zionists were response for terror attacks in the region for decades after the Declaration, and their motivation was the formation of a Jewish state.
Tracing it back, that motivation was actually very pure at first. A Jewish intellectual in Europe concluded that Jewish people would not be respected or able to live in peace unless they had a country of their own. This was because of the persecution and pogroms European Jews faced. The belief was corrupted into radical terror over time.
And it’s ironic since the Palestinians are in a similar situation because of Israelis. Europeans to Jewish people, Israelis to Palestinians. They just want safety and security. They all had/have the pure desire to live peaceful, safe lives with their families. And Jews and Palestinians all deserve to have that.
Terror isn’t justified, but its a symptom of larger problems. In this case systematic apartheid and oppression of a entire ethnic group
what’s your plan then to stop the extermination of your country?
Taking out military targets and infrastructure. Not killing innocent people .
There was a video yesterday of terror israelis posing threatening and blocking the road to the land of Palestinian olive trees while Palestinians tried to harvest
https://youtu.be/UuMUuqqa7NM?si=m0kSUnEn7lxV5qWy
I guess one of those terror israelis decided it was time to do some more western backed war crimes.
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My personal speculation:
Off duty means he will likely end up in front of a military court and they will ask three things: if he followed military procedure for opening live fire, if he felt there was a non-violent way to resolve the incident, and why he was there in the first place. He’ll get reprimanded, potentially sentenced for murder, and possibly discharged. More likely is he’ll deny guilt, make some claims and bring family as witnesses. In the end, he might even get away with less than a year in military prison.
Even this is highly unlikely: https://www.yesh-din.org/en/data-sheet-december-2022-law-enforcement-on-israeli-civilians-in-the-west-bank-settler-violence-2005-2022/
The reality is that law enforcement forces are just closing their eyes when there is a crime committed against Palestinians and I can imagine that now the bias would be even higher, so most likely he will get away with this murder.
Followup on this: the settler has been arrested by military police
If there is to be any hope of peace, such cases need to be prosecuted just as strictly as what Hamas did.
Probably going to get a slap on the wrist
decorated in secret.
The west needs to step in again, ctrl-z the postww2 treaties, and give the land back to palestinians. Israel has squandered its chance and this heaping pile of shit all stems from dickheads trying to make the Bible true.
Unfortunately, none of the west’s support is really because we think it’s good to help Jewish people. At the end of WWII, virtually no middle eastern states were similar to our ideology, and most of the natural resources to power our war machines were located there. Additionally, it’s at the boundary of three other geopolitical centers of commands.
Israel is America’s ability to project power, that’s why we give them so much money
This is the best summary I could come up with:
This brings the number of Palestinians reported killed by settlers to seven since Hamas’s bloody incursion into Israel three weeks ago.
Tayseer Mahmoud said his nephew, Bilal Saleh, was working in the grove in the village of Sawiya with his wife and their four children on Saturday when a group of settlers attacked them.
Settler leader Yossi Dagan said in a video posted on the social media p(platform Facebook Saturday that the shooter was accompanied by family members and fired in self-defense after they were “attacked with rocks by dozens of rioting Hamas supporters.”
The deadly shooting took place amid a spike in settler violence since Hamas militants infiltrated Israel on Oct. 7, killing more than 1,400 Israelis and taking over 230 others hostage.
In addition to the killings, Palestinians in the West Bank have reported attacks on people and property, as well as denial of access to their land.
Since the outbreak of the war alone, more than 100 Palestinians, including civilians, have been killed, most during military arrest raids and violent protests in the West Bank.
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Can we all agree the word “settler” can fucking do one here? You don’t “settle” already occupied land. You invade it.
he had a right to self defense in the land he occupied
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They did that for the Last 70 years and Western powers, champions of humans rights didn’t flinch. but they will sure that a dead dog in their backyard becomes concern of every other nation.
