Boeing says it can’t make money with fixed-price contracts::“Rest assured we haven’t signed any fixed-price development contracts, nor intend to.”

  • agitatedpotato@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    1 year ago

    So either you suck at forecasting your own production, or you suck at production enough to not hit your forecast? And you want other people to pay you more because you don’t have a good handle on your buisness?

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      1 year ago

      As an employee at a production facility in the US, don’t think Boeing is unique in that regard.

      These companies have gotten too big to work without exploiting their employees or inflating costs.

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        1 year ago

        This problem could be solved with a co-op structure even within a free market. If ten workers in a co op produce $100 bucks of extra money, they all get voting power over ten buck, and as long as any new hires can carry their weight so everyone still gets ten bucks surplus to command, they will hire them if you follow the game theory incentives. Once companies get big enough to have diminishing returns, like a new employee could only produce 5 bucks of surplus, then hiring that person would make everyone have a smaller piece of the pie (adding him to our first ten means the share drops to 105/11 or 9.5 dollars.) If the pie(surplus) all goes to one person they can keep adding workers until the worker doesn’t produce any surplus over the cost, bloating the departments. Because of this co ops tend to expand to peak productivity, (surplus per worker), rather that peak output (produce as much as we can until it becomes unprofitable to produce)

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      I don’t think they suck at forecasting…I think they are probably exceptional at forecasting but willfully lie about project costs when submitting bids for projects in order to come under the competition and win the contract. There doesn’t seem to be any penalties for this, so why would they stop?

      • Whiskey_iicarus@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        1 year ago

        That happens all the time. I went through several government contracts where a company would come and under bid the current contract by a significant amount, win the bid, offer the current contractors 3/4 of what they were being paid and fill in the rest with new hires. There is no continuity between contracts so unless a bunch of the old contractors took a pay cut to stay on they would come in and start from scratch with all new processes and procedures and absolutely slow down productivity for all those they were supposed to be providing support.

    • Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      1 year ago

      If they’re anything like other DOD contractors they make empty promises and straight up lies to get bids on contracts that they can’t deliver on time on. They know they will fail these timelines but it makes them look good for that quarter so it doesn’t matter to them.

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      1 year ago

      The forecasts for FFP projects have competitive forces pushing them down. Many times they will underbid to win than hope everything goes perfect or they can find a way to weasel out of it.