• Ð Greıt Þu̇mpkin@lemm.ee
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    Gaza West Bank and Israel all have to be dissolved. “Give the land back” implies land can be owned at all, which fundamentally violates the right of others to freedom of movement.

    Guthrie said it best,

    There was a big, high wall there that tried to stop me

    A sign was painted said “Private Property”

    But on the backside, it didn’t say nothing

    That side, was made for you and me

    What needs to happen is the abolition of Israel and Palestine and the replacement of both with a south levant confederation that absolutely guarantees the equal rights of all citizens, and absolutely cracks down to the draconian nth degree against supremacism or separatism.

    The Israelis have ruined the two state solution with their settlements in WB and in the Golan heights, so now they get to live with the consequences of democratic accountability instead of doing the rez shit America pulled where nobody felt like answering if indigenous folks were citizens too until they were demographically outnumbered enough to not retaliate against the politicians that screwed them.

    Hamas are not freedom fighters, their the corrupt rez boss family that wittingly or not are the extension of the state’s oppression over the people.

    Also before anyone tries to cry wolf Anti-Semite, Israel’s a major funder of stateside politicians that ferment antisemitic sentiments by tolerating it among their supporters. Why you may ask? Because American Jews rejected Zionism heavily since their state of being in the US served as a direct refutation of the idea that Jews needed their own ethnostate to ever be safe. Israeli Jews often openly contempt American Jews for being “woke” since even orthodox american Jews can be considered more liberal than their European and Israeli counterparts.

    Israel wants to make America as hostile to Jews within their borders as possible because every family that flees to Tel Aviv over a swastika painted on the synagogue is another house they get to take from the Palestinians, and another “point” in the score in their vendetta against American Jews having rejected the initial call at Israel’s establishment.

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      “Give the land back” implies land can be owned at all, which fundamentally violates the right of others to freedom of movement.

      That’s a compelling idealistic position. But what we’re really looking at right now is a simple “Might Makes Right” arrangement. Israel controls its territory firstly because it successfully perpetrated the Nakba back in '48 and purged its current territory of Palestinians. And secondly because it defeated its neighbors back in the '67 Seven-Day War.

      In that sense, the land IS owned. It is owned by the victors in these incredibly violent conflicts.

      Hamas are not freedom fighters, their the corrupt rez boss family that wittingly or not are the extension of the state’s oppression over the people.

      They’re whats left of the government that has been smashed up time and time again by a rival military. If they look and act like a crime family, it might be interesting to interrogate what kind of conflicts other crime families emerged from. Check out Operation Gladio and its influence over Italian-American mafias. Or look into how the collapse of the USSR gave birth to enormous European criminal cartels. Ask what happened in the wake of the American Civil War and how organized crime along the Gulf Coast emerged as a result. Or the Spanish and Chinese Civil Wars, for that matter.

      At some point, trying to point at an organization and say “These people are uncompromisingly evil” misses the historical events that gave birth to them. The Israel Government is a consequence of European anti-Semitism and of the Cold War politics of the Middle East. Hamas is a consequence of Israeli police and paramilitary transforming Gaza into an enormous black market by necessity.

      What comes next will be a consequence of what came before it. And moralizing the actors does nothing to illuminate what to anticipate next.