This is genocide by the book. After almost 2 decades of being kept poor & isolated, comes in an ultra modern army to do exactly what?
I’m German and anti Hamas.
Where’s the fight against Hamas taking place, btw? There should be footage of destroyed Hamas stuff or some dead Hamas Soldiers to be seen, or am i missing something?
Israel has been bombarding for days
Where do you think Hamas is hiding???
“Hiding” doesn’t justify killing civilians.
Above commenter asked where the fight with Hamas is taking place.
But that’s not fighting, that’s exterminating.
Israel thinks all brown people are Hamas. Journalists? Hamas. Doctors? Hamas. UN aid staff? Hamas.
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Can someone give me the straight talk on why western countries, who usually at least try to look like they have the moral high ground, are falling all over themselves in support of Israel?
What is the non-conspiracy nutter reason why the US feels the need to provide billions of dollars in support to Israel?
Clearly actions on both sides are reprehensible, some more-so than others. There’s no goodies and baddies here. There’s aggressors, innocents, and victims on all sides.
Because Israel is ultimately a problem created by western nations like the UK and US, have more similar culture to the west and are their strategic partner for the area whereas the arab nations are traditionally backed by Russia. So they basically HAVE to give them unconditional support to Israel or lose their influence on the region.
I’ve done some reading and listening since I asked this question and I think that this is the correct answer.
They’re the only non-muslim country in the middle-east, and therefore our closest ideological partner, and therefore our best strategic partner.
War is about resources. USA and Britain don’t give a shit about giving the land (that they stole from Palestinians) to Jewish people. Israel and Saudi Arabia are their only ways to project power in the region to have leverage against countries with more oil.
There’s the historic precedent that people have already discussed here.
There’s the very effective Israeli lobby, which has integrated itself into many different governments.
There’s the fact that Israel is pro-western, in the Middle East, so they serve Western interests. They can be the foil for Western influence in the Middle East, without directly implicating the West. Need a weapon site bombed in Iran? Israel will do it. This is probably the biggest reason.
The country of Israel has integrated itself into the Western global intelligence Network, especially in terms of special operations, and special intelligence gathering tools, and a weapon supplier for missile defense, drone defense etc. For all intents and purposes their military ally for the west.
The West has a bias against Muslims, and Islam. Not necessarily a deliberate bias, but there is a bias. There is a reluctance for full trust. Israel is a religious country, based on Judaism, which makes them more palatable for Western people to think about.
All that being said, is Western support guaranteed? No. At the international level real politic is extremely fickle, you have to continue to be useful. If another country with better trade-off showed up in the region, it’s very likely they would also receive this Western appreciation.
Hamas are terrorists and Western governments support combatting them. Hamas hides behind civilians who tragically are the victims of the war Hamas started this time
That’s not really an answer though - obviously there’s a question of degree.
If there were 20,000 terrorists with access to advanced weaponry then a few hundred civilian casualties is probably acceptable. If there’s 100 terrorists with access to some home made rockets then a few thousand civilian casualties probably isn’t acceptable.
Is the present campaign against Gaza with the mode of engagement by Israel really the surest path to peace with the least civilian casualties? Hard to believe given that there was a stale mate just a few weeks ago.
Besides which, you can’t kill all the terrorists, that’s not how extremism works.
Of course it’s an answer.
Ok, well it doesn’t address the question, at all.
Of course it does. Fighting terrorism gives the perception of moral high ground
Israel is creating a humanitarian crisis. If you’re getting the perception of moral high ground I don’t really know what to say to you.
Palestine doesn’t have an army, they’re not allowed to.
Genocide
“War isn’t Hell. War is war, and Hell is Hell. And of the two, war is a lot worse. There are no innocent bystanders in Hell. War is chock full of them - little kids, cripples, old ladies. In fact, except for some of the brass, almost everybody involved is an innocent bystander.” – MAS*H
If Israel’s genocidal campaign is actually halted (likely temporarily), the lingering effects of this bombing campaign will continue to claim lives. There will be an increase in premature deaths, at least until Israel decides to complete its final solution. Weapons manufacturers and those who use their products aren’t known for “green” initiatives.
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So far a lot of the news coverage on here about the israel-palestine conflict is from aljazeera. Why is that?
I would imagine because in the west there is a ton of pressure to side with Israel no matter what, to the point people are losing their jobs for showing any support for Palestine or being critical of Israels actions.
Thanks for the information. I know this conflict has been one of the most controversial and politically confusing wars ever. I guess it’s hard for people at large news sites to write about it.
And I’ve noticed their before and after photos show a before of the suburbs and any after photos showing the city. Cheap tricks. Not that I doubt the main message, but it cheapens the integrity.
In the article linked here. There is one before after and it’s a slider. It’s the same area. The photos taken from maybe one or two degrees of a different angle so things don’t line up perfectly but they line up 99%.
If you’re going to criticize them, criticize them for what they’ve done, or at least link to their disingenuous photos. It’s not in this article
Ah — that slider is a new experience for me, and it wasn’t clear that vertical bar isn’t a photo border. That thing should be marked as interactive. Kudos for the clarification.
We shouldn’t take any single news source at face value, every new source has biases, including the political environment it publishes in. The more traditional newer sources like the BBC and Reuters and AP, have the Western bias, and the West is aligned with Israel. So it’s difficult for those organizations to talk about the human toll inside of Gaza.
Al Jazeera is based in Qatar, and funded by the Qatari government. They’ve demonstrated themselves to be excellent reporters, but they have the biases of their environment as well. And some of that bias includes pro Palestinian sentiment.
Net net, the Arab language reporters are more likely to get data directly from Arab sources, Al Jazeera is more likely to have reporters inside of Palestine, and Al Jazeera has the appetite to show the human toll inside of the Gaza strip.
I can’t speak for the non-English version, but the English version of Al Jazeera is biased in what they cover, but when they do speak of things I have not noticed any blatant lies.
To the credit of the Western reporters, they’re not denying that there’s a human tragedy in Gaza, they’re just not talking about it. Are they lying? No. But they are demonstrating a massive bias.
I personally consider Al Jazeera a credible source, but a single source, and I still take my news as the aggregate of AP, the economist, Reuters, the BBC, the guardian, Al Jazeera. We can’t rely on any single organization to provide us objectivity, cuz everybody has biases. We have to synthesize an approximation of truth by what is said and not said by the various reporters
Here’s an article that showed up on Lemmy, and it talks about biases as well. The article is very biased, but it doesn’t change the fact the biases they point out are demonstrable and real. So it’s interesting to read https://www.medialens.org/2023/the-absolute-right-to-commit-war-crimes-gaza-israel-and-labour-opposition/ to me it just reinforces we have to get our news from multiple sources, with multiple biases.
Reminds me of Mariupol.
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It seems the only solution to the conflict is the most inhumane, and both sides know this. Maybe the conflict is better than the solution.
Would it be a a final solution of sorts? Sounds familiar
They also unironically have been using “the Palestinian Question”
So damn infuriating
The problem with fascism is it works. It’s so much harder to have a representative democracy that survives, response to people’s grievances and needs… it requires a sense of community.
Wow just take that damn mask off why don’t you?
Could you elaborate? I’m not pro fascist, I’m saying being a open democracy is hard, and its tempting for people in power to default to fascist tools.
Maybe the conflict is better than the solution.
Please expound.
If only genocide can resolve the conflict, I’d be happier with the conflict as is. (Unlike all those facists downvoting my comment)
“We’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of solutions, so we’ll have to genocide them”
