• Chetzemoka@startrek.website
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    “requires many barriers to science”

    That’s a literal word for word quote from the comment I was originally replying to. I didn’t exaggerate anything.

    Is someone still publishing caliper head measurements in 2023 that you’re aware of? No. Just like no one is publishing flat earth “studies” even though some idiot members of the public think that’s fun right now. And no one is publishing about the aether. Who is the arbiter of what compromises junk science, if not the scientific community? The founder of SciHub is a communist. Release all the science.

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      Are you doing a blowhard long winded workaround way of calipers-free-but-still-racist “shitty” science under pious pretenses of it still being scientific enough to get attention?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdyin6uipy4

      Who is the arbiter of what compromises junk science, if not the scientific community?

      Release all the science.

      It’s clearly a losing battle within that community if you’re making excuses for “shitty” science getting attention that it both doesn’t deserve and that will actually harm people.

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        No more than you’re suggesting that there are racist astronomy studies being published, even though I could choose to disingenuously represent your position with that statement.

        Racist studies need to be refuted. It’s not that hard. Restricting access to all science (which I see you now notice is what that other commenter was suggesting) isn’t going to magically stop racist studies from being published.

        And again, who are you suggesting should be the arbiter?

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              That arbiter is not doing a good job considering the proliferation of antivax, race “science,” and climate change denialism, among other things.

              Feel as above the fray as you like, but normalizing the mass distribution of junk/shit or otherwise false science under some lofty ideal of “the free marketplace of ideas will select for the correct data” is clearly, demonstratively, and repeatedly not doing that and hasn’t in the past either.

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                You have utterly no idea what’s even present in scientific publications. Antivax and climate change denialism are not rampant in published science. They’re rampant amongst ignorant members of the public. That’s not even remotely the fault of science.

                And here’s a summary of the current state of race science:

                “Race does not stand up scientifically, period.”

                https://www.scribd.com/article/350285350/What-Both-The-Left-And-Right-Get-Wrong-About-Race

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                  Someone else responded better than I could to what amounts of your wall of arrogance that was toward someone with an opinion and a take so similar to yours that it applies to you as well.

                  Every single time someone does a report on crime and breaks down data by race you’re seeing racist social science in action. The way we do clinical trials. Decisions about what to study, like the impacts of lead, or education, or pharmaceuticals, all of it lies on top of and interpermeates racist superstructure. Recent? Forced hysterectomies. Public statements from researchers that genetics are not politically correct. Mauna Kea. Environmental impact studies in Guam. I mean, it’s never ending.

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                    It’s not never ending. We’re very critical of the racism and sexism in medical research. And the younger generations of doctors are far more aware of it.

                    We used to butcher women in radical mastectomy surgeries and we don’t do that anymore. We used to do medical experiments on black Americans without telling them and we don’t do that anymore. For everything that you can point to as a current problem, I can point to another thing that used to be a problem and now has been corrected.

                    And still none of that has anything to do with physics, chemistry, materials science, geology, oceanography. You can’t just say “racism impacts some sciences therefore we shouldn’t do science at all”