I think you are both arguing about an institution giving money to random people right? Just the amount of both money given and number of recipients are changing right?
Quote marks because “disenfranchised” is subjective. And wow, you have mad skills to look at someone’s post history. Aren’t you quite the haxxor?
I consider myself moderate. Lefty tools such as yourself label anyone that disagrees with them as right wing racist maga nazis. Fuck you.
I am anti union. Unions served a great purpose 100 years ago. Now they are corrupt shake down organizations that contribute to inflation and drive jobs out of the country. But if someone wants to join one, I don’t care, it’s none of my business. Just don’t use my tax dollars to fund any of it.
Living wage. There is this idiotic entitlement mentality that people somehow deserve a “living wage” simply for consuming oxygen. Here is the truth: people are paid what they are worth. If you are providing real value to an employer, they will pay you enough to retain you. If they don’t, find another employer. Rinse and repeat.
But nah, it’s easier to blame shortcomings on billionaires/Trump/“the man”/“disenfranchisement” and hope some politician will send you money for your vote.
It seems to simply be a difference in values. I personally think a human being has value simply for existing, and many others would agree on this. Nothing idiotic about valuing different things.
We are in agreement, humans do have value. My point is that a living wage is possible, but it requires effort and sometimes tough decisions. Everyone should have the opportunity to better their lives, but I disagree that everyone is entitled to a ‘living wage’ simply for being alive. Have you not been to a restaurant where the service was terrible? Do those employees deserve a living wage?
It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country.
- FDR
It seems that where we differ is they yes, I do think that employee providing shitty service deserves a living wage. But more importantly, there’s so much that people do for us that should be paid but isn’t, or that isn’t paid enough to live off of but should be. People who volunteer their time to clean up public spaces, to help take care of the sick and elderly or young children, people producing art for the rest of us to enjoy, people doing doing fundamental research on topics that aren’t currently trendy, and likely many more that aren’t coming to mind right now.
If it were a deliberate choice, then sure, I’d agree with you. The issue is that it often isn’t, and you don’t know how much choice someone has until you’ve lived their exact life.
Have you not been to a restaurant where the service was terrible? Do those employees deserve a living wage?
I’ve been a waiter and can tell you it’s probably because the boss won’t pay for enough people or is trying to cram too many people into their establishment without investing in the required infrastructure and staff.
Tell that to folks having to work three jobs to provide for their family. The concept of the minimum wage was to provide enough wages for people to support their families (on a single income no less) with a forty hour work week. Now, there isn’t a single state where you can afford an average apartment on a minimum wage job. Saying ‘youre paid what you’re worth’ is just a fancy way of saying some people don’t deserve essentials in a post scarcity society.
But yeah, we can just let kids work to add a third income to the household. That’ll solve it.
If only there were nearly 50 years of data proving your wage theory wrong. Productivity skyrocketed, and workers wages stagnated. Who got paid for all that value that was created? I guess all the people providing labor weren’t providing real-enough value?
Unions provide the same benefits today as they did 100 years ago. They attempt to level the imbalance between the employer and workers. If there’s a large imbalance then the workers don’t have the leverage to negotiate better wages.
I’m detecting some guilt. Nobody here called you a Nazi, or anything other than right wing. Which you openly admit to. I mean, you claimed you were a moderate, but have taken up the right wing cause as your cross to bear. It’s funny how you accuse everyone else of calling you a thing. Nobody but yourself said.
You’re not the martyr you’re pretending to be. You’re just being an asshole to people with less power than you. Nobody’s impressed by your tax bill, least of all me. And the fact that you make so much that you have to pay 40k in tax. And yet you still pretend that money would make any difference in your life means you’re spending the money you have foolishly. Your petty greedy asshole. There, now somebody called you names.
Love the quote marks around disenfranchised. Real classy.
Let’s see… cursory glance at post history indicates… Yep, right wing, anti union and against a living wage. That all tracks.
I think you are both arguing about an institution giving money to random people right? Just the amount of both money given and number of recipients are changing right?
Quote marks because “disenfranchised” is subjective. And wow, you have mad skills to look at someone’s post history. Aren’t you quite the haxxor?
I consider myself moderate. Lefty tools such as yourself label anyone that disagrees with them as right wing racist maga nazis. Fuck you.
I am anti union. Unions served a great purpose 100 years ago. Now they are corrupt shake down organizations that contribute to inflation and drive jobs out of the country. But if someone wants to join one, I don’t care, it’s none of my business. Just don’t use my tax dollars to fund any of it.
Living wage. There is this idiotic entitlement mentality that people somehow deserve a “living wage” simply for consuming oxygen. Here is the truth: people are paid what they are worth. If you are providing real value to an employer, they will pay you enough to retain you. If they don’t, find another employer. Rinse and repeat.
But nah, it’s easier to blame shortcomings on billionaires/Trump/“the man”/“disenfranchisement” and hope some politician will send you money for your vote.
It seems to simply be a difference in values. I personally think a human being has value simply for existing, and many others would agree on this. Nothing idiotic about valuing different things.
We are in agreement, humans do have value. My point is that a living wage is possible, but it requires effort and sometimes tough decisions. Everyone should have the opportunity to better their lives, but I disagree that everyone is entitled to a ‘living wage’ simply for being alive. Have you not been to a restaurant where the service was terrible? Do those employees deserve a living wage?
No context needed, unequivocally, yes.
It seems that where we differ is they yes, I do think that employee providing shitty service deserves a living wage. But more importantly, there’s so much that people do for us that should be paid but isn’t, or that isn’t paid enough to live off of but should be. People who volunteer their time to clean up public spaces, to help take care of the sick and elderly or young children, people producing art for the rest of us to enjoy, people doing doing fundamental research on topics that aren’t currently trendy, and likely many more that aren’t coming to mind right now.
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Their choice to provide shitty service is also a choice to not have a “living wage”.
Just cut to the point and say you hate poor people already.
He seems to prefer his dog whistle. Makes him seem ‘moderate’
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If it were a deliberate choice, then sure, I’d agree with you. The issue is that it often isn’t, and you don’t know how much choice someone has until you’ve lived their exact life.
Providing shitty service is always a choice.
What do you consider to be shitty service?
I’ve been a waiter and can tell you it’s probably because the boss won’t pay for enough people or is trying to cram too many people into their establishment without investing in the required infrastructure and staff.
Tell that to folks having to work three jobs to provide for their family. The concept of the minimum wage was to provide enough wages for people to support their families (on a single income no less) with a forty hour work week. Now, there isn’t a single state where you can afford an average apartment on a minimum wage job. Saying ‘youre paid what you’re worth’ is just a fancy way of saying some people don’t deserve essentials in a post scarcity society.
But yeah, we can just let kids work to add a third income to the household. That’ll solve it.
If only there were nearly 50 years of data proving your wage theory wrong. Productivity skyrocketed, and workers wages stagnated. Who got paid for all that value that was created? I guess all the people providing labor weren’t providing real-enough value?
Unions provide the same benefits today as they did 100 years ago. They attempt to level the imbalance between the employer and workers. If there’s a large imbalance then the workers don’t have the leverage to negotiate better wages.
I’m detecting some guilt. Nobody here called you a Nazi, or anything other than right wing. Which you openly admit to. I mean, you claimed you were a moderate, but have taken up the right wing cause as your cross to bear. It’s funny how you accuse everyone else of calling you a thing. Nobody but yourself said.
You’re not the martyr you’re pretending to be. You’re just being an asshole to people with less power than you. Nobody’s impressed by your tax bill, least of all me. And the fact that you make so much that you have to pay 40k in tax. And yet you still pretend that money would make any difference in your life means you’re spending the money you have foolishly. Your petty greedy asshole. There, now somebody called you names.
U mad?
'murican with an IQ in the single digits doesn’t understand what being leftwing means. More non-news at 11.