• Tb0n3@sh.itjust.works
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    1 year ago

    Have you ever been in a city? Practically every street has stores that need deliveries. Does every street get a tram track?

    • Sarie@lemmy.world
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      1 year ago

      I think a good use would be to go from an industrial area to another, or to a cargo hub.

      • Ilovethebomb
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        1 year ago

        That is apparently what this tram did, although normally heavy rail would fill this role.

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          whatever is convenient, for short distances (shops right next to where the tram stops) you can probably just straight up use the same pallet trucks used to unload it (they’re really quite speedy and flexible), for longer distances cargo bikes.

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      Practically every street has stores

      Mmh in my experience actually not. Very distinct streets in the centre are shopping streets (with residential on the higher floors). Many neighbourhoods are just residential.

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      Trains to distribution center, pneumatic tubes from distribution center to every home and business.

      I want my green steampunk future cities.

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      1 year ago

      I believe the tracks for the long distance trains should go to warehouse or distributions whatever then cargo bikes would deliver them locally.

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        1 year ago

        Have you ever seen how much stuff your typical courier has in their van?

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            1 year ago

            I love how that clip has multiple shots of trucks absolutely full of boxes, while making the case for a vehicle that could fit inside the truck as it’s replacement.

            • GissaMittJobb
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              I think you just missed the point entirely. You don’t actually have to load up as many items in a cargo bike, because it’s inherent advantages in urban contexts more than makes up for its inability to load up as many items.

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                If I own a grocery, it’s going to take a hell of a lot of bike trips to and from the warehouse to restock every day. Or I could employ an army of bikers. Or one truck.

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                  Ok, so deliver food via truck. Choose the appropriate means of transportation for each type of last-mile delivery. The 200 gram Amazon package most certainly does not require a heavy truck to deliver.

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                  It seems I missed the point. I had deliveries in mind where the truck is mostly empty most of the time. Restocking with a truck or cargo tram (depending on the environment) would make more sense.

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                1 year ago

                What does that mean, exactly? What inherent advantages?

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                  1 year ago

                  They are spelled out clearly in the video:

                  • Bicycle deliveries can utilize bicycle infrastructure and not get stuck in traffic
                  • Bicycle deliveries can at times navigate around traffic
                  • Bicycle deliveries have an easier time parking at the point of delivery
                  • Bicycle deliveries for obvious reasons require less fuel
                  • Bicycle deliveries require less capital cost, as their vehicles are cheaper than their counterparts
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      The answer should be yes. In fact we should dig up the bicycle lanes to make way for tram tracks.

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      Sounds like a pretty niche use case, there’s not many factories in the middle of cities that have a tram line running to them.

      And at 15 tonne per car, 7.5 in the end cars, the payload isn’t particularly impressive either.

      This also didn’t deliver product to the final destination, which is what most urban trucks are doing.

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        but something like this would get product coming-in from outside a metro area close enough to high-density population and business centers to where smaller EV delivery vehicles or postal services (they already go door-to-door each day) can do the ‘last-mile’.

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          It really sounds like you’re inventing a use case for this technology, to be honest. Most logistics centres are on the outskirts of the city, and linehaul vehicles are loaded and unloaded there, having something like that in the city centre would be a very inefficient use of space.

          It also wouldn’t reduce the vehicle movements inside the city by much at all.