Just build a fucking train, it’s stupid that Denmark doesn’t just have rail everywhere. DSB is a joke. Banedanmark is underfunded. Light rail doesn’t go anywhere useful unless you live in Copenhagen. Intercity is way too expensive to matter unless you get discount tickets a month in advance. IC trains are so frequently not-running that it’s become a major point in my buddys argument for working from home.
Come to BC. We have trains from Vancouver going to Seattle and Portland(via US run Amtrak(70-100$ US), a transit train from Mission to Vancouver and back, once a day each way(5-15$ depending on distance) and a 3000$ a ticket train going to Jasper, Alberta from Vancouver BC and back.
Yaaay Conservatives. Thanks for ruining passenger rail.
In USA/Canada we end up with population pimples with little in between. This is perfect for HSR, since there are very few required stations between primary cities.
Ottawa-Montréal, for example, is ~200km apart with no major centers in between, so an HSR can cross that distance with no stops
Toronto-Montréal is ~550km apart, with one possible stop in Kingston if the train splits for Ottawa. Again an HSR could make great time here. With the TGV’s 270kph station-station time, it would be 2 hours, slightly faster than flying + security (2h10-2h30) and less than half the driving time.
I’m knot as knowledgable about US geography, but I’m positive there and many city pairs like this on the east and west coasts.
This is perfect for travel but not passenger load which is what makes a transport system economical. Rail costs several million dollars per kilometre, so a Toronto to Montreal would cost at least 500 million, closer to a few billion. And if it travels through low density land you won’t be getting many additional passengers except those that actually live in Toronto and Montreal. This is why HSR is in densely populated areas like France or Japan, or China. There is an actual large passenger load that makes the investment worthwhile. An even easier-to-see example is that city driving is much slower than on highways, if point-to-point travel time was really the function of public transit then intercity travel would be prioritised not the much larger and more economical street stops that every public transit system uses.
so a Toronto to Montreal would cost at least 500 million, closer to a few billion
$3 billion on 1.7km of Gardener Expressway repair. $3.6 billion for Turcot interchange replacement. No one bats an eye at those costs.
passenger load which is what makes a transport system economical
Toronto-Montréal is the busiest domestic flight route, followed by Toronto-Ottawa. Add Chicago and New York to capture the two busiest routes between the two countries (both in the top 20 international flights). Plus however many bus, train, and drive.
Edit: just plugged 15 Nov into Google flights; there are 46 flights from Toronto to Montreal that day (Pearson and Island combined).
lol
lmao, even
Just build a fucking train, it’s stupid that Denmark doesn’t just have rail everywhere. DSB is a joke. Banedanmark is underfunded. Light rail doesn’t go anywhere useful unless you live in Copenhagen. Intercity is way too expensive to matter unless you get discount tickets a month in advance. IC trains are so frequently not-running that it’s become a major point in my buddys argument for working from home.
Come to BC. We have trains from Vancouver going to Seattle and Portland(via US run Amtrak(70-100$ US), a transit train from Mission to Vancouver and back, once a day each way(5-15$ depending on distance) and a 3000$ a ticket train going to Jasper, Alberta from Vancouver BC and back.
Yaaay Conservatives. Thanks for ruining passenger rail.
hmmm… surprising, US has similar issues for unsurprising reasons.
It’s probably the exact same reasons, actually.
DSB is a joke, Banedanmark is a myth we are all controlled by something greater, TRAINS DNA of public infastructure
But in Merica Cars are democracy, Denmark shoils build an 80 lane highway
USA! USA! USA!
The continental US is roughly 2/3 the size of Europe. Comparing Denmark to it is nonsensical given the differences in size.
IDK if size really matters here. Connecting Chicago to Milwaukee (100mi) with HSR probably makes sense
there are many others too:
Chicago-Indianapolis (200mi)
Chicago-St Louis (300mi)
Chicago-Pittsburgh (500mi)
so many good connections
We have freight rail connecting that already. Size should matter here because the population densities are not the same.
passengers can’t ride freight rail tho
That all depends on how cool the train crew are
I think size should matter more.
In USA/Canada we end up with population pimples with little in between. This is perfect for HSR, since there are very few required stations between primary cities.
Ottawa-Montréal, for example, is ~200km apart with no major centers in between, so an HSR can cross that distance with no stops
Toronto-Montréal is ~550km apart, with one possible stop in Kingston if the train splits for Ottawa. Again an HSR could make great time here. With the TGV’s 270kph station-station time, it would be 2 hours, slightly faster than flying + security (2h10-2h30) and less than half the driving time.
I’m knot as knowledgable about US geography, but I’m positive there and many city pairs like this on the east and west coasts.
This is perfect for travel but not passenger load which is what makes a transport system economical. Rail costs several million dollars per kilometre, so a Toronto to Montreal would cost at least 500 million, closer to a few billion. And if it travels through low density land you won’t be getting many additional passengers except those that actually live in Toronto and Montreal. This is why HSR is in densely populated areas like France or Japan, or China. There is an actual large passenger load that makes the investment worthwhile. An even easier-to-see example is that city driving is much slower than on highways, if point-to-point travel time was really the function of public transit then intercity travel would be prioritised not the much larger and more economical street stops that every public transit system uses.
$3 billion on 1.7km of Gardener Expressway repair. $3.6 billion for Turcot interchange replacement. No one bats an eye at those costs.
Toronto-Montréal is the busiest domestic flight route, followed by Toronto-Ottawa. Add Chicago and New York to capture the two busiest routes between the two countries (both in the top 20 international flights). Plus however many bus, train, and drive.
Edit: just plugged 15 Nov into Google flights; there are 46 flights from Toronto to Montreal that day (Pearson and Island combined).
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