NASA attempts to make conversations about aerial phenomena more scientific.

NASA’s independent study team released its highly anticipated report on UFOs on September 14, 2023.

In part to move beyond the stigma often attached to UFOs, where military pilots fear ridicule or job sanctions if they report them, UFOs are now characterized by the US government as UAPs, or unidentified anomalous phenomena.

Bottom line: The study team found no evidence that reported UAP observations are extraterrestrial.

  • Itty53@kbin.social
    6·
    1 year ago

    I’m gonna propose to the alien believers a different explanation of UAPs: they’re black projects. Yes all those physics defying things are man made, and they probably have an understanding of physics we don’t currently know about in the wider public.

    Technology trends exist. We can see them. It’s no wonder that every generation’s stereotype of unidentified craft always always always mimicked the latest generation of military flight tech. That’s what’s been true since the inception of the whole thing. It’s true today too, thirty years from now we’ll get a public look at the crafts they’re testing out in the skies today. Be that because they get used or because they become obsolete. Thats how it goes.

    So why the hearings in Congress? Because they’re black projects. We’re talking trillions in this rabbit hole. Congress very much has an urgent want to understand what they military might be keeping from it, vis a vis private contractors. We’re talking multiple times the budgets of nation-states and we’re getting receipts that are basically "trust me bro"s.

    But Congress can’t very well tell the truth of all that without undermining the American military, and thereby America itself. So they go along with the same “aliens” reasoning, “uhh yeah, let’s go with that, okay”, and keep pressing for more information.

    Is that crazy? Yeah, you bet. But it’s no crazier than believing all that and that there’s aliens. Because the alien conspiracy crowd asserts virtually everything I just said, just, with aliens. Aliens aren’t necessary for any of it though.

    In the history of nations there’s never been a more sure-fire way to lose democracy than making an enemy of the military complex propping it up. So Congress ought to be careful too, keep a little plausible deniability for themselves.

    • DrYes@kbin.social
      3·
      1 year ago

      they probably have an understanding of physics we don’t currently know about in the wider public.

      I don’t believe any secret agencies have a better understanding of fundamental physics. They have better technology and engineering.

      • Itty53@kbin.social
        2·
        1 year ago

        If a private, but not secret agency has access to the physics and can’t engineer it, there’s a question of why. As much as we’d like to disassociate engineering from discovery, they’re linked together. Engineering leads to further observation leads to discovery and vice versa back the other direction. It’s entirely possible there’s “new physics” at play even if they’re only theoretical to the Discovery Channel right now. Who’s to say, really?

        So while I’m not gonna disagree with you, and you’re right there’s a difference between engineering technology and physics itself, I still don’t really see the distinction as that important to the discussion here.

        Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic, after all. We’re talking about exactly that level of technology, commonly being called physics-defying by many engineers today. That’s magic to common understanding, for all intents and purposes, even if it’s possible that we could all eventually understand and demystify it given the education to do so.

        Until then? Hard to close doors other than just “do we need this for the story”. And aliens don’t need to be there, hence my whole line of thinking above. That’s just another example of “any secret is the exact secret I want it to be” kind of thinking. See also “everything I don’t understand is a communist” or more recently, “everything I don’t like is woke”. I like to make reference to dinosaurs, because no one ever does. Why not? It could be dinosaurs in those crafts too! There’s more evidence for that than aliens, right? We know 100% dinosaurs existed, here. They would’ve had much much more time to develop technology than we did, eons longer. So again why not? “Because it’s absurd.” Yep. It is. Every argument against it counts against aliens too.