• DarkGamer@kbin.social
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    Romney in 2020 became the first senator in U.S. history to vote to convict a president from their own party in an impeachment trial. Romney was the only Republican to vote against Trump in his first impeachment and one of seven to vote to convict him in the second. …
    Romney was booed by a gathering of the Utah Republican Party’s most active members months after his vote at the second impeachment trial, and a measure to censure him narrowly failed. Members of the party even flung the term “Mitt Romney Republican” at their opponents on the campaign trail in 2022’s midterm elections.
    Still, Romney has been seen as broadly popular in Utah, which has long harbored a band of the party that’s favored civil conservatism and resisted Trump’s brash and norm-busting style of politics.

    Seems like he’s in the wrong party. There’s no room for actual conservatives or upholding the law against their own in the modern pro-fascism, post-truth, anti-democracy, GOP.

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      He wouldn’t have made it through a primary. Given it’s Utah he’ll be replaced by someone much worse.

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        Why do you think that? He’s staunchly Mormon, and been a political figure head for their interests. I can’t see them turning their back on him.

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      Seems like he’s in the wrong party. There’s no room for actual conservatives or upholding the law against their own in the modern pro-fascism, post-truth, anti-democracy, GOP.

      Well he sure af isn’t welcome to the Democratic party.

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        Well he sure af isn’t welcome to the Democratic party.

        Why not? Manchin and Sinema are. Mitt invented Obamacare back when it was Massachusetts’ Romneycare. There’s plenty of right-leaning, (or at very least, centrist,) Democrats.

        Not sure his constituency would approve though.

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              All they do is stall the system and prevent things that will genuinely help the working class. Want to win against the GOP? Pass meaningful legislation that improves people’s lives. The reason we’re in this mess is because the democratic party is too timid to actually take a solid stance and do what’s necessary against the problems in this country. Having a big tent only makes it more difficult to make meaningful changes. DNC infighting just helps the GOP.

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                If we want to move the Overton window leftward and do away with this issue, we need ranked choice voting. As long as we we are first-past-the-post, doing whatever is nessicary to defeat the greater evil is the right move.

                Meaningful legislation doesn’t matter to voters who are willfully ignorant and hateful, who choose to believe outright lies over credible evidence and regularly vote against their own interests. Good governance by the opposition will never be acknowledged by that segment.

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            Disagree. Excepting the recent extremist ideologues, Republicans have always been fueled by money. From the NRA, to Big Oil, to the tobacco industry, to megachurches, it’s always been about money (and the power that comes with it).

            The heart of racism in the US is exploitation for profit.

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      there’s no room for actual conservatives

      I’m not sure what you mean. What do you think it means to be a conservative?

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        I’m not sure what you mean. What do you think it means to be a conservative?

        In this context I’m referring to what the American right historically purports to be and not what it arguably is; small government, pro-business, law and order, supports traditional American values like democracy, pro-religion, in opposition robust social programs. This seems to be in line with Mitt Romney’s version of conservatism, as opposed to the GOP’s more recent openly fascist and antidemocratic behaviors. I could see potential for him as a Manchin-like Democrat who leans hard right, if he were so inclined and his voters approved.

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          Interesting. It wasn’t loaded to be honest. I just don’t understand what is a “true conservative” as every time I hear it come up, it’s usually just in the context of “current conservatives aren’t real conservatives.” So I was curious what your definition is.

          Like let’s take “law and order.” Who is against that? It’s a meaningless phrase designed to paint opposition as for “no laws and disorder.” So the phrase is sort of meaningless to me.

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            Like let’s take “law and order.” Who is against that?

            Well, presently the Republicans Mitt Romney is at odds with. They consistently vote to shield Trump from consequences for his crimes.

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            People who are for “law and order” are generally just simping for cops. I do agree that it’s kind of a ridiculous phrase but there are strong connotations that come along with it.

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              I get what the connotations are but it’s like “pro-life.” The implication is opponents are “anti-life” or “pro-death” and so the entire conversation is immediately lopsided/in some ways poisoned and dishonest.

              When you look at the conservative platform it’s all like this. “I am for families.” So that means opponents are against families. It’s very broad statements that make - when looked at closely - kind of ridiculous statements about their opponents. So if there is “real” conservative, which is usually a stand in for “reasonable,” I don’t actually know what their policies are. They used to hide behind “fiscal responsibility” but that was always dubious and their last 20 years of spending have eradicated any argument they make about spending lol