• TokenBoomer@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    9
    arrow-down
    65
    ·
    1 year ago

    That is correct and why they could prosecute this case. But they have been seizing oil since 2019. And even if all those tankers were partially owned by US companies, it still doesn’t change the fact that this amounts to piracy. Defending international injustice with legalese doesn’t absolve what this is. When China seizes our tankers because the parts were made in China, will you defend them?

    • partial_accumen@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      47
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      edit-2
      1 year ago

      And even if all those tankers were partially owned by US companies,

      If the tankers or company is operating in the US, then they are bound by US laws no matter where they are in the world. A company can’t benefit from the protection of the US government and laws at home only to go abroad to commit US crimes.

      • TokenBoomer@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        9
        arrow-down
        49
        ·
        1 year ago

        Many countries can use that justification. Why are you defending an act that you’d condemn if it was done to America?

        • TheFonz@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          35
          arrow-down
          4
          ·
          1 year ago

          You’re really committed to the act, even after multiple people have pointed out your error in reading this situation. Kudos to you I guess?

          • TokenBoomer@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            6
            arrow-down
            30
            ·
            1 year ago

            It’s not an act. I care about this world I live in. I don’t debate to convince the people that disagree with me. I do it to show that those people don’t use logic and reason to decide their beliefs. They want the illusion of confirmation bias. I try to disrupt that illusion. We need to see the world from different perspectives.

            • NateNate60
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              29
              arrow-down
              2
              ·
              1 year ago

              I hate that “confirmation bias” have become moo words with people nowadays.

              The logic is pretty sound:

              • A company that does business in the United States must comply with American laws.
              • It is forbidden under American law for a company that operates from the United States to do business with Iran.
              • The company, through its child, shipped oil from Iran.
              • American authorities, enforcing American law, ordered the company to divert the ship and turn over the oil for confiscation because the shipment was illegal.
              • Oil is confiscated.

              I remark that sanctions do not require the approval of the United Nations. Under customary international law, it is an application of sovereign authority. Any country can apply sanctions and can do so in any way you like. What the USA has said is that “if you want to do business here, we forbid you from doing business with Iran”.

              • frunch@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                13
                arrow-down
                3
                ·
                1 year ago

                I appreciate you going the distance with that guy. I don’t think they changed their mind, nor do I think they have the capacity to. You certainly kept it on level for us in the peanut gallery though. Cheers!

              • TokenBoomer@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                4
                arrow-down
                16
                ·
                1 year ago

                You owe me $250 million for using the word “moo.” I sanctioned you 5 hours ago, without your knowledge or approval. You have to do what I want, because I have a bigger stick. I can make up whatever law or sanction I want, and you have to follow it or I’ll destroy your town. Pretzel logic. Call it confirmation bias or sucking your own dick, but that’s what is going on.

                • NateNate60
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  11
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  I wasn’t aware that you were a sovereign state or that I had any money deposited in your banks or that I do business of any sort with you.

                  You can sanction me by putting a permanent embargo on conversing with me by blocking me if you want

                  • TokenBoomer@lemmy.world
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    5
                    arrow-down
                    9
                    ·
                    1 year ago

                    It was an analogy. I don’t want to block you. I want to have an intelligent discussion about the merits of this act. But people just want to defend America despite its despotic acts. It makes me sad.

            • deft@ttrpg.network
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              6
              arrow-down
              2
              ·
              edit-2
              1 year ago

              Logic - US said do not do that.

              Reason - They did it.

              If this has insulin, guns, food. You’d probably not care at all. This article would never be written.

                • hark@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  3
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  Downvoters believe that America is indeed god. That is how far America’s dick is down their throat.

                  • TokenBoomer@lemmy.world
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    3
                    arrow-down
                    1
                    ·
                    1 year ago

                    It’s difficult when you first begin to realize that what you’ve been told is the truth your whole life is lie. It happened to me with the Iraq war and the PNAC report. I try to remain compassionate, because, as an American, I’ve been there. The truth sucks. It’s easier to believe the lies.