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Incarcerated people work for cents on the dollar or for free to make goods you use.
Brittany White, 37, was arrested for marijuana trafficking in Alabama in 2009. She went to trial to contest the charges — after all, just a year prior the United States president had admitted, cheekily, that inhaling was “the point.”
She was sentenced to 20 years. But her sentence was meted out in portions, based on good behavior, and she, posing no discernable public safety risk for selling a plant increasingly legal in states all across the U.S., was allowed to work on the outside.
She got a job at a Burger King.
But the state of Alabama took a significant portion of her paltry minimum wage. “They charged me $25 a week for transportation,” she tells Truthdig. “And they take away 40% of your check. It’s egregious to be making minimum wage, and then to have so much taken away by the state.”
Minimum wage in Alabama is $7.25.
Still, White considers herself lucky. Even her paltry earnings were better than nothing. She was able to purchase soap from the commissary. The prison-provided soap is full of lye, she says, which you definitely do not want near your private parts.
Many stuck behind bars are forced to work for cents per hour, or for nothing. While corporate culprits are commonly blamed for exploiting the labor of incarcerated people, it’s actually primarily states and the federal government who take advantage, and make the public unwittingly complicit.
Got a car? Your license plate was likely made by inmates. In New York, inmates make the trash cans. High school desks are often made on the inside; so are glasses for Medicare patients.
Many stuck behind bars are forced to work for cents per hour, or for nothing, for corporations, states and the federal government.
Companies like CorCraft in New York manage labor in the state’s prisons. They’re funded by the state’s budget, and boast they’re New York state’s preferred choice for “office chairs, desks, panel systems, classroom furniture, cleaning, vehicle, and personal care supplies, and more.”
“Summer Sizzles with Classroom Furniture from Corcraft,” their website declares.
They also claim to help in “the department’s overall mission to prepare incarcerated individuals for release through skill development, work ethic, respect and responsibility.”
The people behind the “sizzling” furniture beg to differ.
In the 12 years he was incarcerated in New York state, Dyjuan Tatro was forced to work a variety of jobs, from making desks to license plates. “At the end, I didn’t have a resume,” he tells Truthdig. “I didn’t get one thing to help me be successful on the outside from the prison. No resume, no job experience… Just $40 and a bus ticket — from 12 years of prison labor, I couldn’t use any of it to get a meaningfully paying job.”
Bianca Tylek, the executive director of Worth Rises, an organization devoted to eradicating unjust prison practices, goes further. “It’s slavery,” she tells Truthdig.
The 13th Amendment, which ended slavery, left an important exception: it’s still legal to garnish wages, or more commonly, refuse to pay incarcerated people for forced labor. “As a result, incarcerated people live in slavery-like conditions,” Tylek adds.
Of course, there are nuances. For example, trading community service, like, say, picking up trash, in exchange for not serving time, is one example of a noncarceral approach. But incarceration changes the equation. Tylek notes that it’s not just about the miniscule (or nonexistent) wages. It’s compelling people to work, with the alternative being a stint in solitary and other punishments, like refusing to let them see relatives, consequences that are meted out by guards. She also notes that they have to work in dangerous trades they may not be trained for, including industrial-sized laundries or ovens.
Despite what someone did or did not do, to end up behind bars, coercing them into performing free labor is wrong, Tylek notes. “I like to ask people the question, ‘Under what circumstances is slavery OK?” she tells Truthdig.
“If you can’t answer that question, the answer is, slavery is never OK.”
I’m not opposed to prison labour, but I think prisoners still ought to be paid minimum wage less tax, and this amount can be put in a sort of savings account for them to responsibly use “on the outside”, such as for rent, restitution, &c. Interest on the money can then be put towards a crime victims’ fund. That way, I think, everyone gets a fair shake and it’s not just a forced labour camp.
Hard disagreement there. Prison labor is used to suppress wages, so, any labor allowed should be mandatorily equal to the highest prevailing union wage, including benefits, to remove profit motive and harm to society.
More than this, since I believe the entire prison system should be reformed from a system of punishment into a system of rehabilitation, much of being in prison should focus on education, job training, and paid works programs.
Obviously, they’re criminals and not everyone would be able to participate, but the vast majority would and would massively benefit from such programs.
You’re probably right, but we also want prisoners to actually still get jobs and earn money, so it can’t cost more than hiring a regular working because then why would anyone bother.
I would support the State adding a few dollars to minimum wage and taking that as a commission or something to offset costs.
Still hard disagreement there allowing prisons to be used for exploitation does not help prisoners or society and instead incentivizes use of the most exploitable segments of society and disincentivizes rehabilitation as it is less profitable.
Giving prisoners the opportunity to participate in society in a manner where both sides are protected is a good thing, I agree. It allows for better reintegration into society. However, minimum wage or anywhere near it cannot be on the table as it always results in greater exploitation and wage suppression. Reward businesses for doing their part with tax breaks or similar, not by outright helping them to exploit people.
Why should we pay people for committing crimes while we pay for their room and board instead of making the fucking criminals earn their own keep?
It’s to attach a cost to prison labour in order to dissuade abuse and to ensure that the prisoner generates enough value to support themselves after release. There are two points to address here:
This can be almost entirely mitigated by ensuring separation between those responsible for sentencing, and those who manage the money, along with transparency so that collusion between the two can be found.
Personally, I support a system in which the value prisoners create is first directed back towards whoever their victim was, with costs of living being deducted as well. With this in mind, I would also argue for sentencing to be dynamic to match their repayment of societal debts. Do a lot of useful work, you get out faster. Jack off in your cell and do nothing useful, expect a life sentence for stealing a purse.
I agree with this sentiment to some extent, though I suspect in a direction you’re not a fan of. Because I believe we should absolutely be executing a lot more people. Like at some point, I don’t really care if technically Joe the chomo could be rehabilitated, I’m perfectly fine with just getting rid of them. Because honestly if you’re going to put someone in prison for life, let’s just save the time and end that life sooner rather than later.
It’s certainly uncontroversial that a lot of criminals deserve death. However, I oppose the death penalty for two reasons.
The first reason is that criminal justice systems, especially the American criminal justice systems, aren’t great at achieving high accuracy. It’s a bit too easy for innocent people to be wrongly convicted and executed. There is a reason why death penalty cases take so long to litigate, and why I oppose making the system “more efficient”. In the course of litigation, it’s not unheard of for new evidence to appear that questions the condemned’s guilt.
The second reason is that such people can still provide value. A person who is sentenced to life in prison can still work and provide value. I think they still ought to be given some portion of that value, as motivation to work if nothing else. Capital punishment destroys that value for merely the feeling of justice. The death penalty as it is applied today exists as a means of revenge, not as a means of preventing crime.