• flossdaily@lemmy.world
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    The guy attempted a coup. He should be on trial for his life right now… and still 30+% of Americans might support him.

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      it’s 30% if you only read the title, at the end of the article it says:

      Two other polls released this week show President Joe Biden and Trump competitive in a 2024 matchup, with Biden edging Trump by just a point in surveys from Marist and Quinnipiac.

      unless you check how they conducted the poll, you don’t know if either one is correct.

      was it made in an university campus or at the exit of an NRA convention? those will give you wildly different results.

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      @flossdaily

      @btaf45

      https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/it-took-a-long-time-for-republicans-to-abandon-nixon/

      When the House of Representatives voted in February 1974 to give the House Judiciary Committee subpoena power to investigate Nixon, it did not have the weight of public opinion behind it. According to a poll conducted by Gallup just days before the vote, only 38 percent of Americans were in favor of impeachment. And although a solid majority of Americans did eventually come to support impeachment, that moment didn’t arrive until quite late in the game.

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        My friends, the MAGA cult stuck with Trump through racism, rape, hush money, and an attempted coup! They are not budging.

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          Of course they aren’t. That’s who they are. That’s what they like. Dems need to stop sneering and start registering voters because these fuckers are turning out.

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          Also every year, 2½ million older Americans die. So in the same eight years, that’s as many as 20 million fewer older voters. Which means that between Trump’s election in 2016 and the 2024 election, the number of Gen Z (born in the late 1990s and early 2010s) voters will have advanced by a net 52 million against older people. That’s about 20 percent of the total 2020 eligible electorate of 258 million Americans.

          And unlike previous generations, Gen Z votes… young people in recent years to vote more frequently for Democrats and progressive policies than prior generations did when of similar age

          https://archive.ph/2023.07.21-052839/https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/07/19/gen-z-voters-2024/

          Not saying that 2024 is in the bag for Biden, but a lot has changing in the electorate. And I’ll take a little hope when I can get it.

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          @flossdaily

          How many of those trump cultists admit today to voting and supporting G.W. Bush? You know they didn’t vote for Gore, if they voted at all, but they supported Bush and they supported his vision to make the US the world’s police despite claiming they are against this.

          Do you think the people who supported Nixon were somehow dumber than Americans are today? Functional literacy was much lower in the 70s.

          There are large swathes of people who just support the status quo. Nixon being the villain in his own story is “common knowledge” now and Trump’s just stupid Nixon.

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            The difference is that when Nixon was President we all shared the same facts and reality.

            Today’s Republicans will simply never accept the reality that Trump is a criminal.

            If you don’t understand that distinction, you’ve been missing the big picture.

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              @flossdaily

              Were you alive during Nixon? I was a baby but I interacted with people Trump’s age when I was a child. I don’t know if it’s the lead in the air back then or what but more than half of all adults seemed terminally stupid. I was a child and I thought they were stupid.

              We’ve clearly got a lot of people who think Trump’s smart today but Trump’s brand of gibberish was just considered “common sense” in the 80s. Social media hasn’t made us dumber, it’s just allowed the dumbest people to find each other more easily.

              Regarding us all sharing the same facts when Nixon was president, that’s just not true. People lived in a very divided America then as well. Social media and the refinement of propaganda techniques does make things seem more hopeless today but the same Roger Stone who’s fucking things up today was around back then. He was doing exactly what he’s doing today back then.

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                The fact that the public, in the end, turned on Nixon is the REASON we have Fox News today. It’s creators were anticipating the landscape today where a conservative media bubble would isolate Republicans from the facts. It works perfectly.

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                  @flossdaily

                  Yes, I’m aware of that. This is why I brought up Roger Stone. My point is people aren’t stupider or more insular today; they are actually slightly less so.

                  The machinery of propaganda is much more refined today.