A fringe website featured the purported names and addresses of the Fulton County grand jury that indicted Trump and 18 others for their efforts to overturn the 2020 election.
  • Jordan Lund@lemmy.oneEnglish
    2152·
    1 年前

    FTA:

    “These jurors have signed their death warrant by falsely indicting President Trump,” read one post on a pro-Trump forum in response to a post including the names of jurors, which was viewed by NBC News."

    What about second indictment, Pip?

    • ATQ@lemm.ee
      2022·
      1 年前

      I mean, honestly, the FBI or relevant SBI needs to go dig these losers out of their trailer park and throw the book at them. We cannot tolerate traitors and fascists. These people are just begging for the FO stage.

    • discodoubloon@kbin.social
      44·
      1 年前

      How did they even get this information? Shouldn’t this be pretty closely guarded? I assume there are maybe a few dozen people with their hands on it…

      • Spotlight7573@lemmy.worldEnglish
        50·
        1 年前

        The names are public. Per Georgia Code Title 17. Criminal Procedure § 17-7-54 it looks like they’re spelled out as part of the standard form that indictments take. Addresses aren’t that hard to get once you know the name.

        • jonne@infosec.pub
          441·
          1 年前

          That’s just fucked up. It’s like nothing in the US is considering privacy.

          You’re just asking for mob bosses to start killing or threatening jurors.

          • CobblerScholar@lemmy.world
            5·
            1 年前

            Most of our justice system relies on people participating in good faith. Turns out that’s a shitty way to hold people accountable

        • discodoubloon@kbin.social
          10·
          1 年前

          Well thanks for the information. I would have guessed at least in a case like this it would be semi-private at least.

          I understand the need for transparency, but I guess the people abusing that are typically breaking the law anyway.

        • Captainvaqina@sh.itjust.works
          111·
          1 年前

          Gave you an early day to cry about how your traitorous fuhrer is absolutely fucked and is absolutely going to prison.

          Again, only active enemies of the United States still support that fucking traitor.

  • LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world
    1572·
    1 年前

    Great way to prove your guy is innocent. Imagine if a democrat would have released this information about pending case against Biden or Obama. Republicans vilified the email lady just for being a woman.

    • Xariphon@kbin.social
      603·
      1 年前

      Republicans would be lining up all the way to Russia to crucify a Democrat who did even a fraction of what Dullard Grump bragged about on television.

        • kescusay@lemmy.worldOP
          781·
          1 年前

          Fine, thanks. The connections between Trump’s campaign and Russian intelligence assets are thoroughly proven beyond a reasonable doubt, and the fact that he’s their favorite American politician isn’t even up for debate.

          Sorry it’s so hard to support the traitorous fucker, but have you considered… not supporting the traitorous fucker? I mean, since he’s going to prison soon, might as well start reclaiming your mind from him now.

          • Dlg@lemmy.world
            3101·
            1 年前

            Fourth time is the charm, I guess. Not.gonna happen. Just keep throwing shit at the wall. It won’t stick.

            • kescusay@lemmy.worldOP
              62·
              1 年前

              Bet you thought Hillary was going to be indicted, too. And that the wall would be built. And that infrastructure week was real. And that Trump would win reelection.

              Here’s what’s going to happen… Now that Trump isn’t protected by the presidency, he’s going to be in court as a defendant in multiple jurisdictions. And just like he lost every one of the 60+ cases he filed falsely claiming election irregularites - many in courts run by judges he himself appointed - he’s going to lose as a criminal defendant.

              During the trials, you’ll hate every second of it and you’ll scream and rant and holler about how unfair it is, how somehow it’s the “deep state” all coordinating together, how all the Republican witnesses were secretly Democrats all along… Just generally getting more and more unhinged as you watch your demented orange shit-gibbon messiah face the consequences of his actions.

              Meanwhile, you’ll privately be worrying that the mountains of evidence presented by the prosecution in each of the four different cases is absolutely damning. You’ll strive with all your might to ignore the little voice in your head whispering “he’s guilty,” because you don’t want it to be true. After all, if its true, then the way you’ve invested every iota of your being into your Identity as a Trump supporter is all just wasted. And you can’t stand that.

              So you’ll buy into every cockamamie defense his “lawyers” (for lack of a better word) come up with. First amendment? Shit, who hasn’t called the Georgia secretary of state and demanded he manufacturer extra votes? Can’t imprison a man for that! Presidential Records Act? Sure, why the fuck not? Every document created by the government is a presidential record, right? Right?

              When the day finally comes, and he’s inevitably found guilty, it’s going to hurt you even more. That day it’ll feel like you’ve been imprisoned, because so much of you is invested in him.

              But there’s a way to avoid that. Stop today. Ditch the asshole. He doesn’t deserve your love and adoration. Do it now, and it won’t hurt so bad when the time comes.

              • Techmaster@lemm.ee
                8·
                1 年前

                You forgot the best part. When he eventually dies of old age in prison, we’re going to put a hydroelectric generator in his coffin, and it will be able to power a large city off of the torrential quantity of piss that is going to be raining down through it.

              • Dlg@lemmy.world
                353·
                1 年前

                If he did wrong throw his ass in jail. And throw all the other corrupt ones with him. Your side also has corruption just be fair when throwing stones

                • Jordan Lund@lemmy.oneEnglish
                  44·
                  1 年前

                  The Democrats did not attempt to overthrow a legally elected government. You can’t “both sides” that.

              • Dlg@lemmy.world
                254·
                1 年前

                I’m going to save this and change the name to Biden and send it back to you and watch you flip tf out.

            • NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world
              211·
              1 年前

              I’m curious why people think Trump is some kind of Emporer capable of doing no wrong now. It amazes me that a guy who habitually lies and refuses to pay people who work for him is considered smart to some people.

    • Chthonic@slrpnk.net
      33·
      1 年前

      I understand you guys are frustrated by Republican hypocrisy but it is literally designed into/a selling point of conservatism.

      Wilhoit’s Law:

      Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

      • PrincessLeiasCat@sh.itjust.works
        10·
        1 年前

        That’s very interesting, I had never heard of it. Thanks!

        Edit: looked into it more; here is an article about it that includes an interview with Wilhoit himself. This is the actual site where the comment with the quote was made (scroll down some in the comments section).

        The actual comment in its entirety (very impressive comment section on that site tbh…high quality):

        Frank Wilhoit 03.22.18 at 12:09 am

        There is no such thing as liberalism — or progressivism, etc.

        There is only conservatism. No other political philosophy actually exists; by the political analogue of Gresham’s Law, conservatism has driven every other idea out of circulation.

        There might be, and should be, anti-conservatism; but it does not yet exist. What would it be? In order to answer that question, it is necessary and sufficient to characterize conservatism. Fortunately, this can be done very concisely.

        Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:

        There must be in-groups whom the law protectes but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

        There is nothing more or else to it, and there never has been, in any place or time.

        For millenia, conservatism had no name, because no other model of polity had ever been proposed. “The king can do no wrong.” In practice, this immunity was always extended to the king’s friends, however fungible a group they might have been. Today, we still have the king’s friends even where there is no king (dictator, etc.). Another way to look at this is that the king is a faction, rather than an individual.

        As the core proposition of conservatism is indefensible if stated baldly, it has always been surrounded by an elaborate backwash of pseudophilosophy, amounting over time to millions of pages. All such is axiomatically dishonest and undeserving of serious scrutiny. Today, the accelerating de-education of humanity has reached a point where the market for pseudophilosophy is vanishing; it is, as The Kids Say These Days, tl;dr . All that is left is the core proposition itself — backed up, no longer by misdirection and sophistry, but by violence.

        So this tells us what anti-conservatism must be: the proposition that the law cannot protect anyone unless it binds everyone, and cannot bind anyone unless it protects everyone.

        Then the appearance arises that the task is to map “liberalism”, or “progressivism”, or “socialism”, or whateverthefuckkindofstupidnoise-ism, onto the core proposition of anti-conservatism.

        No, it a’n’t. The task is to throw all those things on the exact same burn pile as the collected works of all the apologists for conservatism, and start fresh. The core proposition of anti-conservatism requires no supplementation and no exegesis. It is as sufficient as it is necessary. What you see is what you get:

        The law cannot protect anyone unless it binds everyone; and it cannot bind anyone unless it protects everyone.

      • remotelove@lemmy.ca
        284·
        1 年前

        Historically, fascists (fascisus microdickus), were deep-forest dwelling creatures that would seldom leave their nests except when foraging the nearby land for tobacco or Mountain Dew. In some rare cases, you could catch them gathering lots of copper wiring from old houses for reasons that are still unknown to this day.

        Several years ago, it was discovered that there were huge subsidies given in secret to communications companies to provide cheap internet to this developing species. It was assumed that the swift influx of non-baised and healthy information found on the internet could propel these people to heights in society that would have taken them years to do otherwise.

        Unfortunately, due to unforseen consequences of a programming error mixed with a substance called jeebus, a condition erupted where they could only answer questions with vague sentences like “Obama gunna take yer guns!” and “You can’t tell me whut to do!”

        In a flurry of screeching, they suddenly coalesced into a single gelatinous mass of Skoal, high fructose corn syrup and Budweiser.

        In the past, we have been able to stop these things with a well placed nuke or several million pounds of high explosives. I am afraid that since they have been able to establish control over some large wildlife related cable networks, they have been able to target our most vulnerable with the threat of higher taxation rates. This is spiking a huge de-evolution trend like we haven’t seen in years.

        It may be too late to do anything now.

    • SpezCanLigmaBalls@lemmy.worldEnglish
      691·
      1 年前

      “We are all domestic terrorists” No republican sadly gives a shit about laws or rights anymore. They just care about power

      • DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
        10·
        1 年前

        The lack of political leadership on the right to denounce these threats — which serve to inspire real-world political violence — is shameful.

          • hihellobyeoh@lemmy.world
            4·
            1 年前

            It is shameful, and the rest of us should feel that shame due to not preventing this, but unfortunately most of us just feel shame for our parent/grandparents for letting this happen, and leaving it up to us to fix it, just everyone please vote, it’s your right to have your voice heard.

  • Riccosuave@lemmy.world
    1101·
    1 年前

    Violence that results from citizens being doxxed for engaging with their civic duties should carry harsh mandatory minimum sentences. This is not the same as “protesting” against government officials. They are literally engaging in stochastic terrorism, and attempting to foment domestic terrorism in the process.

    What the fuck is wrong with these people, and how do we deal with this in any other way than removing them from society so they cannot harm their fellow citizens.

    • Pratai@lemmy.ca
      10·
      1 年前

      We should treat them as the law suggest we treat terroristic traitors to America.

    • Ænima@lemm.ee
      10·
      1 年前

      The only way to break these people out of their echo chambers is to enact anti-cult tactics. Trying to get someone out of a cult is an extremely hard thing to do. When it’s 30% of a country’s citizens, however, it may be impossible. If Capitol Police testimony, video evidence, and other MAGA members speaking out couldn’t break the spell, what will insulting them and their beliefs prove?

      I don’t have the solutions to fix this and I loathe the MAGA cult, but the harder you insult, point out hypocrisy, and humiliate these supporters, the deeper into the cult they retreat. This is seen time and time again with friends and family who attempt to help someone escape an obvious cult or religion.

      I am 100% in the “punch a Nazi in the face” crowd, but what we need to do is treat these people like they have been brainwashed, rather than them making the conscious decision to support fascist rhetoric. To them, in their cult, we are the outsider trying to prosecute their leader and destroy their beliefs and way of life.

      You will never out-debate them in their beliefs. You will never insult them into leaving. And treating them all like the enemy is exactly what their leaders are telling them you will think.

      I’m not saying every MAGA member is possible of redemption, but the most success we may find, to remove this fascist rot is with those who were deep in and have found their way out. The call to leave needs to come from “inside the house,” so to speak.

      • Riccosuave@lemmy.world
        6·
        1 年前

        I’m too tired to respond to this fully right now, but I will try to do so later. For now, I will just say that I agree with your general premise, and the few things I have a slight disagreement with may not be important enough to quibble over unless you care for a formal explanation. Also, thanks for your well thought out response.

        • Ænima@lemm.ee
          6·
          1 年前

          I appreciate you (and others who may not have bothered to comment) for not immediately jumping to the, “this guy’s a fascist sympathizer,” because I don’t think the emotional responses to this will bring about rational change.

  • TheBlue22@lemmy.world
    971·
    1 年前

    What the fuck.

    We know the names of the terrorists that have done it. Track them down, arrest them, 10+ years un prison.

    Ruin their shitty little lives.

    Make an exapmle out of them.

  • hydrashok@sh.itjust.works
    575·
    1 年前

    What a bunch of jackasses.

    Bet it was the same group that was pissed about protests at the Supreme Court Justice’s houses, too.

      • pulaskiwasrightEnglish
        741·
        1 年前

        One of those groups are corrupt government officials and the other is citizens compelled by law to do their duty.

      • Kerrigor@kbin.social
        431·
        1 年前

        One of those groups is protesters peacefully opposing a public official. The other is seeking to harass and intimidate, possibly assault or injure, jurors. That’s not turnabout.

      • GhostCowboy76@lemmy.world
        393·
        1 年前

        Be interested to see if you had such a cavalier attitude if you were one of the jurors now required to sequester for their safety or have armed police officers outside of your home so your spouse and children are safe while you’re off fulfilling your mandated civil service at jury duty.

        Worse yet maybe you’re one of the law enforcement professionals who has their life forever altered because they have to use deadly force while on their security detail at one of those homes, protecting innocent lives, because some radicals thought it was “fair play” to leak addresses and names of innocent members of a jury.

        But these are just my two cents, and with inflation we know two cents isn’t worth what it used to be.

        • Bizarroland@kbin.social
          1·
          1 年前

          Imagine how much it would suck to know that because you lost the jury lotto that there is a ground of about 10,000-30,000 honest to God full blown dyed in the wool wackadoos who know your families address and are posting on social media about how if you do your job and follow the law and it turns out that the Cheeto is a bandito and you say as much that they will seriously attempt to kill you or harm your family, and there’s nothing anyone is going to do about it until after they act.

          FML.

      • SpezCanLigmaBalls@lemmy.worldEnglish
        181·
        1 年前

        Death threats for citizens doing their jury duty and indicting based on evidence vs citizens practicing their rights and peacefully protesting. Is that truly what you consider fair game?

        • hydrashok@sh.itjust.works
          103·
          1 年前

          Awesome. I’ll buy the beer.

          Protesting peacefully is an important civic virtue, regardless of your beliefs, and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.

          • imPastaSyndrome@lemm.ee
            101·
            1 年前

            You protest government figures. You don’t protest people doing their civic duty,

            Edit: I thought you were that Momo guy. You’re not. Point stands but any aggression is not aimed at you

    • WarmSoda@lemm.ee
      16·
      1 年前

      When Randall fucking Flagg calls someone a terrorist you know they’re bad!

  • AutoTL;DR@lemmings.worldBEnglish
    442·
    1 年前

    This is the best summary I could come up with:

    ATLANTA — The purported names and addresses of members of the grand jury that indicted Donald Trump and 18 of his co-defendants on state racketeering charges this week have been posted on a fringe website that often features violent rhetoric, NBC News has learned.

    Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis faced racist threats ahead of the return of the indictment and additional security measures were put in place, with some employees being allowed to work from home.

    The grand juror’s purported addresses were spotted by Advance Democracy, Inc., a non-partisan research group founded by Daniel J. Jones, a former FBI investigator and staffer for the U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.

    “It’s becoming all too commonplace to see everyday citizens performing necessary functions for our democracy being targeted with violent threats by Trump-supporting extremists," Jones said.

    Advance Democracy also noted that users were posting on other social media sites the names and images of people believed to have been grand jurors.

    — Advance Democracy noted that Trump supporters were “using the term ‘rigger’ in lieu of a racial slur” in posts online.

    I’m a bot and I’m open source!

      • Riccosuave@lemmy.world
        9·
        1 年前

        I thought that was mighty convenient verbiage when I saw it too. Donald Trump is the deified god-incarnate of every 14 year old internet edgelord. Unfortunately that also represents the political desires of roughly (30%) of the electorate.

  • fabian@lemmy.world
    28·
    1 年前

    They’ve already performed their duty. Silly boys can’t even stochastic terrorism right.

    I guess this is what the bloviating one was talking about when he twatted “if you come for me i’ll come for you.”

    Little slow on the draw there, gordito.

  • gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world
    271·
    1 年前

    Who would have had access to this information? I bet this leak could be traced back to someone on Trump’s defense team if we investigated hard enough

        • rifugee@lemmy.world
          1·
          1 年前

          Give me your name and the state you live in and I could probably find your address, phone number, age, the name of your spouse, siblings and other family members, maiden name (if applicable), previous addresses, and even arrests, with about 10-30 minutes of googling and using only the top 1-3 results. Unless your name is John Smith or something very common, then it would be much more difficult. So, yes, it is public information and nobody has to have had to leak it.

          • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
            1·
            1 年前

            As a Smith with a common first name, it usually sucks but I’m happy when it sometimes causes me to have some anonymity. If gone to pay my tab before and given my last name and there’s multiple Smiths, which is fairly common. Then I give my first name and there’s still more than one. It’s somewhat annoying in that case, but good luck looking me up online.