Well that’s not very Chakotay
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Ok, well I always thought it was weird Chakotay didn’t get mentioned much in newer trek. I thought it was mostly because his character was a massive fail in attempting to portray an indigenous character but maybe it is also just because the actor himself sucks?
he’s not the only Trek (or even the only VOY) actor to run afoul of fans because said Bad Things™ on Twitter.
In 2017, Manu Intiraymi, who played Icheb on VOY, tweeted some nasty comments in defense of Kevin Spacey who was accused of sexually assaulting DIS actor Anthony Rapp when he was 14. Not only did Trek fans collectively have an aneurysm (and rightly so), Paramount cut ties with him over the incident. Not long after, his character, Icheb, was killed especially brutally in an episode of PIC— while also portrayed by a different actor. Many interpreted that as those working on Trek telling Intiraymi exactly how they felt about his comments— while also closing the door on his ever returning.
What’s the story with blacklisting Avery Brooks?
They basically “Far Beyond the Stars-ed” him and instead of giving the character a fitting resolution, he became the only lead character in Trek to never be mentioned again, even though his last appearance was set up for a return. Instead they decided to bring back Picard (and I guess Data, three times) and gave the Dominion story to him.
Who the fuck did Avery piss off?
I don’t think he got blacklisted, I think Brooks just didn’t have any further interest in Trek and moved on. It’s discussed a bit in the DS9 documentary What We Left Behind. He’s kinda… eccentric. If you’ve ever seen any interviews with him (which he tends to avoid), he’s sorta off in his own world. IIRC, he’s a jazz professor at a University someplace in California and happy doing that.
Brooks retired.
In the few interviews he’s done he’s been very clear that he’s finished acting and no desire to work. He just wants to listen to jazz and enjoy his life. Can’t blame the guy.
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it didn’t seem too ridiculous considering what he said, and they didn’t have to rewrite anything. they just had to write it. the scene was pretty over-the-top in its brutality. it didn’t take much “interpretation” to see the hostility there.
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they had to write it, cut out time for it, and work it into the existing plot. basically rewriting
the incident happened in 2017. the episode came out years later. there was no “existing plot” to rewrite, lmao. and the blood and gore and horror was far beyond the rest of what happened that episode or even season.
you’re twisting yourself in knots to explain away something very obvious.
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Why was his character a massive fail in that regard?
Not sure of all the details, but the guy the production hired to give them information on customs/culture to use in the show turned out to be a total sham, for one.
I don’t think it’s fair to blame Beltran of that, though. He didn’t know.
His flat, wooden acting? That was his fault.
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Additional context:
He has also gone on to block a large number of LGBTQ fans tweeting to simply ask if he meant what was implied or not. The situation ain’t good.
He has also gone on to block a large number of LGBTQ fans tweeting to simply ask if he meant what was implied or not. The situation ain’t good.
Yeah that is not good! And I’m glad people asked.
To others, on the off chance this actually appears. Apologies if my meaning was not clear. I think that the person Beltran responded to is homophobic and disgusting. I also thought that the person quote tweeting him put words in his mouth. Both of these things are bad.
Clearly with the additional context from this comment Beltran is also an asshole. All of the others seemed to think that me expressing both opinions above means I was “defending” Beltran, which is not the case. It was also possible to interpret what he said as trying to avoid the question. I assume that’s why people asked him to clarify.
It’s ok. Being fair, open minded, and happy to hear new info is the best way to go about these things. This is the first time a bunch of people are hearing about Beltran being a bit of a bigoted arsehole but he’s been like this for years (didn’t used to be this bad, at least overtly, but has gotten more so with age). Those who have been in the convention scene for a fair time are in no way shocked.
Yeah I get that! The last convention I went to was maybe 2017 and he wasn’t there so it makes sense. Kind of crazy to think that an actor in Trek can have these type of views I guess.
Anyway, thanks for being nice and explaining this without judgment! I appreciate it. Coming from reddit it’s a breath of fresh air
But this is just not good enough for the woman who quote tweeted him and just had to add her own little flair to the truth to make it sound worse.
worse than agreeing that LGBTQ+ people aren’t real Trek fans? how, exactly? please explain, because when you agree with someone who thinks things like that, it’s as bad as saying it yourself, especially when you do it publicly and as a public figure. I can’t think of why anyone would come here of all places to defend that.
“People in the lgbtq+ community aren’t real trek fans” is absolutely not what he said.
he agreed with it, which is tantamount to saying it himself.
He shouldn’t have agreed with this asshole who tweeted at him, but that is what he did wrong.
yet, you’re here defending him? so, you think it’s ok to agree with bigotry as long as you don’t say it out loud? wow
But this is just not good enough for the woman who quote tweeted him and just had to add her own little flair to the truth to make it sound worse.
Beltran says agrees with a homophobic/transphobic tweet, and your problem is that someone objected? So, to you, the bigotry isn’t the problem, but the fact that anyone has a problem with bigotry and speaks out against it? Because that’s what it sounds like.
Endorsing homophobic comments on what? Usually explaining what X stands for is a good idea.
Is there an /s missing?
Should there be? I genuinely don’t know what the x stands for.
Twitter rebrand. Now called ‘X’
Oh lol, that’s fucking stupid.
Congrats. You’re the 7 millionth person to display more business sense this summer than Elon Musk.
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