Hehe. I hope the fediverse gets a bit more popular so the larger community isn’t so hardcore FOSS and FOSS only, so pro piracy, and a little too anti capitalist to the extent Scandinavian democratic socialism points of view get characterized as the pinnacle of capitalist evil.
Literally impossible for this to apply to somebody. Any amount of pro-capitalism is affording certain exploitative power to the exploiters. You don’t think the Nordic countries exploit the Global South? They’re better than living in places like the US but democratic socialism is anything but “capitalism but good.” Good for who?
Capitalism has proven itself to be an evil, evil system, both in theory and in practice. It’s not a reasonable take to compromise with something so vile.
The idea that people like me are somehow the unreasonable ones for wanting to eradicate exploitation instead of defining acceptable levels of systemic pain inflicted, is honestly extraordinarily frustrating.
I take more of a Habermasian approach. It’s not means of production and capitalism run amok. It’s more of a colonization of life world by instrumental rationality. I think there are aspects of capitalism that make sense, but the problem is capitalism should not be instrumentalizing governments to further increase capital.
But the other point is, I can’t be an ostrich putting my head in the sand (or maybe this case the clouds). I live in a capitalist world and will likely die in some form of one. So I do practically need to engage in it and get advice on how to navigate it to survive, enjoy life, etc. And right now, it’s hard to find those kinds of people that can discuss navigation of living under the reality of capitalism and day to day shit with the leanings of the Lemmy base today.
Regardless of POV, there’s pretty much no way not to engage in capitalism and support capitalism in some direct or indirect way. It’s everywhere. Even in FOSS.
Yeah I getcha. In my mind, capitalism does do a lot of good things, but it always seems to be at the expense of human life. And to me, the good that capitalism brings isn’t a justification of the countless lives ravaged in order to make the lives of the privileged comfortable.
I totally agree with you that one has to make certain compromises in order to enjoy life with the cards we’ve been dealt. We can’t be doom and gloom all the time, that’s just miserable. However, not everyone has that luxury, as many people have had their lives irreparably destroyed by capitalism. I think it’s totally fine and healthy to personally compromise with capitalism, because that’s the only way someone has a chance at not living a horrible life. But I do stand by my previous statement that claiming that Nordic “socialism” is evil is not an unreasonable take. Capitalists do run amok in these countries, just not in the same ways as more traditionally capitalist countries.
I just hate how these types of comments seem to be so prevalent on lemmy. This is a thread about some crazy mass shoplifting with bear spray cans and 30 to 50 people involved. Not every convo needs to be a what about ism about communism being good, capitalism bad.
I understand where you’re coming from, but I’m also confused what you expect to happen in the comments of a post like that. Would you rather people be rooting for billionaires in the comments? Or just a couple "damn that’s crazy"s? In the former case, there’s quite a lot of capitalist apologetics on this platform already, and I honestly envy you if you don’t encounter it frequently. In the latter case, personally I would find that boring, though I suppose that’s a matter of opinion.
*gets judged by FOSS community *
Listen here, he’s a little different, but he’s family, alright?
Hehe. I hope the fediverse gets a bit more popular so the larger community isn’t so hardcore FOSS and FOSS only, so pro piracy, and a little too anti capitalist to the extent Scandinavian democratic socialism points of view get characterized as the pinnacle of capitalist evil.
Literally impossible for this to apply to somebody. Any amount of pro-capitalism is affording certain exploitative power to the exploiters. You don’t think the Nordic countries exploit the Global South? They’re better than living in places like the US but democratic socialism is anything but “capitalism but good.” Good for who?
Capitalism has proven itself to be an evil, evil system, both in theory and in practice. It’s not a reasonable take to compromise with something so vile.
The idea that people like me are somehow the unreasonable ones for wanting to eradicate exploitation instead of defining acceptable levels of systemic pain inflicted, is honestly extraordinarily frustrating.
I take more of a Habermasian approach. It’s not means of production and capitalism run amok. It’s more of a colonization of life world by instrumental rationality. I think there are aspects of capitalism that make sense, but the problem is capitalism should not be instrumentalizing governments to further increase capital.
But the other point is, I can’t be an ostrich putting my head in the sand (or maybe this case the clouds). I live in a capitalist world and will likely die in some form of one. So I do practically need to engage in it and get advice on how to navigate it to survive, enjoy life, etc. And right now, it’s hard to find those kinds of people that can discuss navigation of living under the reality of capitalism and day to day shit with the leanings of the Lemmy base today.
Regardless of POV, there’s pretty much no way not to engage in capitalism and support capitalism in some direct or indirect way. It’s everywhere. Even in FOSS.
Yeah I getcha. In my mind, capitalism does do a lot of good things, but it always seems to be at the expense of human life. And to me, the good that capitalism brings isn’t a justification of the countless lives ravaged in order to make the lives of the privileged comfortable.
I totally agree with you that one has to make certain compromises in order to enjoy life with the cards we’ve been dealt. We can’t be doom and gloom all the time, that’s just miserable. However, not everyone has that luxury, as many people have had their lives irreparably destroyed by capitalism. I think it’s totally fine and healthy to personally compromise with capitalism, because that’s the only way someone has a chance at not living a horrible life. But I do stand by my previous statement that claiming that Nordic “socialism” is evil is not an unreasonable take. Capitalists do run amok in these countries, just not in the same ways as more traditionally capitalist countries.
I just hate how these types of comments seem to be so prevalent on lemmy. This is a thread about some crazy mass shoplifting with bear spray cans and 30 to 50 people involved. Not every convo needs to be a what about ism about communism being good, capitalism bad.
I understand where you’re coming from, but I’m also confused what you expect to happen in the comments of a post like that. Would you rather people be rooting for billionaires in the comments? Or just a couple "damn that’s crazy"s? In the former case, there’s quite a lot of capitalist apologetics on this platform already, and I honestly envy you if you don’t encounter it frequently. In the latter case, personally I would find that boring, though I suppose that’s a matter of opinion.