- cross-posted to:
- politics@lemmy.world
- cross-posted to:
- politics@lemmy.world
Former Vice President Mike Pence has confirmed that he took notes on his conversations with former President Trump leading up to the Jan. 6 riot, as Trump repeatedly pressured him to reject the results of the 2020 election during the certification in Congress.
Its complicated, because he did stop it. He also immediately took notes and immediately told others about the conversations, actions which clearly paint him as somebody fully versed in the processes of establishing cooperation with law enforcement on an informer basis.
It is also arguable that the entire insurrection that day was a cover to specifically murder Mike Pence on the Capitol steps. There was day of chatter that the gallow was brought into the city in one of the vehicles in Alex Jones’ caravan. We know that with the charging of Donald Trump, Alex Jones is now essentially the only conspirator of Jan. 6 who remains charge free.
Whatever we think of Mike Pence, our country still existing might have solely rested in his hands and it appears he did the right thing in the way he knew how. He saved his life. He saved his family’s life. He saved his country.
I find the idea of giving Pence one iota of credit for any of that to be profane in the extreme, but if it turns out to be true… ugh… I suppose I would have to. I also don’t believe his motivations would have been anything other than self-serving.
still, gross. he’s such a terrible person.
Yeah he’s a religious nutter but at least he respects democracy.
bigotry and hate are not compatible with democracy, a cornerstone of which is equality
So being religious is now being an asshole?
It is when one legislates their religious convictions onto others who do not share them.
which is something he advocates, notably the legislation of the ban of marriage equality.
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Like which ones? I’m not American and I don’t have to inform myself of all the laws that were passed 2016-2020 in a country that isn’t mine
marriage equality, for one. he actively advocates for laws banning it, and advocates for laws banning LGBTQ equality in other ways, advocating for laws limiting/eliminating LGBTQ equality, often donating money for the purpose and to politicians who support such measures.
but if you can’t make the effort to inform yourself of at least the topic under discussion, then don’t expect others to do it for you before jumping into a conversation. that’s just rude.
What laws specifically?
Then don’t come to a post that deals with American politics asking dumb questions.
“Just asking questions”
Dude Lemmy is all about fucking American politics. No, not Just Lemmy, all of the internet and news is filled with that geriatric infighting you call politics
So to summarize, you’re whining about people not informing you about how things work in America- a country you don’t live in, but think somehow you’re entitled to have everyone explain shit that doesn’t even involve you?
That’s embarrassing for you.
Legislative policy based on a certain religion is violent fascism. And anyone who holds office and uses their religion to enact legislation is anti American POS, incompatible with modern civilization, no better than the worst terrorist. And they should not be tolerated in any manner that allows them to hold political power. And anyone who votes for such a candidate is no better than them.
I bet you don’t even know what fascism means
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Then wtf screams fascism to you in half of your country? If it’s identity politics I better shut up
When hasn’t it been?
Waaaaaaaaaaa. I want to be able to push my religion and ideals one everyone and not be labeled an asshole. Waaaaaaaaaaaa.
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“Look, I believe marriage is between a man and a woman, I believe in traditional marriage, and I believe marriage was ordained by God and instituted in the law, but we live in a pluralistic society, and the way we go forward, and the way we come together as a country united, I believe, is when we respect: Your right to believe and my right to believe what we believe,” Pence said.
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Broken clock is right twice a day man. Being saved by a piece of shit isn’t fun.
well… he’s not a broken clock. he’s a self-serving asshole whose self-interest just so happened to coincidentally align with not destroying American democracy at that particular moment. it had nothing to do with anything but himself.
and THAT is what sucks the most, not to mention that people are praising him for it.
“the broken clock just so happened to coincidentally align with the current time” Kinda exactly what the phrase is used for.
“ A broken clock is right twice a day” is the phrase. 
I know, you were saying the phrase doesn’t apply, but it does.
Stopped clock, if you’re an “eat your cake and have it too” type of person, because a broken clock might be broken in that it runs fast, slow, or be missing teeth on a gear or sometime causing it to skip.
Of course the motives were self serving. He likely saw himself going down in history as the man who singlehandedly saved the US and thought it would help him become president.
Yeah, I hate to admit it, but I might not be giving him enough credit. When I read about his conversation with Dan Quayle I thought he was trying to find a legal basis for doing what the mob wanted, but it may have been the other way around. He may have been attempting to establish unambiguously that he intended to comply with the law, and he consulted with someone who is not only another attorney, but a former vice president, in order to leave no doubt about what the law mandated.
Yeah, I think the moment he was first aproacged with this idea, he likely assumed they weren’t asking and began formulating a plan.
And then he failed to assure that all of these things would remain safe going forward. This is still going on, and had Pence not refused to be cooperative before, the path forward would be much more clear today than it is.
Only time will tell whether Pence did just barely enough to avert collapse, or only enough to delay collapse. Neville Chamberlain was trying to keep Britain out of war, and he did, for a time. Until he didn’t, and history remembers the outcome.
Neither of us have security clearances we really dont know if he has ever refused to collaborate. Confidential informants have to keep their cover.
And seeing that they attempted to murder him, I am not sure I can say he was able to keep his cover for very long.
Well, he won’t be the guy on the next test, so I guess we have to hope the next one has some principles (or self-interest that appears as such) as well.