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    only if you are strictly comparing it with full-force no-brakes capitalism

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      If we’re working in the purely abstract, the welfare state is not necessarily ideal, but is there another currently implemented state ideology which serves its workers better? I.e. what would you compare it with which defeats it?

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        16 hours ago

        have you seen how most chinese are living rn? talk to some of them.

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          As in they’re living better than in a welfare state? Or that they’re living in a “welfare state” and having a worse time than i.e. Americans?

          My reference of a successful welfare state would be Scandinavia.

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            i’m not sure about scandinavia’s system specifically, but a lot of these northern european countries regarded as very good still rely on hard exploiting the third world for their comfort. finland is a particularly good example of this.

            china engages in unequal trade but its not even a contest, they even sometimes strike good deals with countries they partner with. and yes, id say they definetly live better than americans from the us on average.