cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/37235684

Obviously reporting transphobic comments to a transphobic mod isn’t going to result in any action, so I’m wondering if the admins are going to do anything about it?

(if someone needs an image description, please ask)

  • Didros@beehaw.org
    141·
    8 hours ago

    They are arguing that they have said nothing wrong because men are not allowed in women’s spots… ugh

    • ShareMySims@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPEnglish
      131·
      7 hours ago

      Yeah, that person is a transphobe and a sealion, and there is absolutely no point in providing them any leeway or platform to spew their bigotry from.

  • disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world
    182·
    8 hours ago

    I don’t know enough about sports, or the skeletomuscular and endocrine differences between someone AMAB and someone AFAB, to comment on the topic.

    I’d much prefer to defend our trans community, but there’s way too much misinformation for me to get the valid and credible information needed to do so. Can someone please share some links so people like me can be educated enough to speak out in support?

    • tree_frog@lemm.eeEnglish
      11·
      6 hours ago

      Read *Who’s Afraid of Gender? *

      The jest of it is that sometimes cis women have more testosterone than cis men. Even in top athletes.

      And trans women on hrt have less than either.

      I started transitioning over the summer, I’ve lost 15 lb of muscle mass.

      Three decades of testosterone dominance made me tall and lanky. But no taller or more lanky than cis women I know. About the only major difference, as far as sports are concerned, would be my wider shoulders. And still needing to wear a cup I guess.

        • tree_frog@lemm.eeEnglish
          1·
          3 hours ago

          Oh thanks :)

          Always fun to discover I’ve been misspelling a word for decades lol

      • disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world
        4·
        6 hours ago

        Perfect. I’ll definitely check that out. Thank you!

        If anyone else is as strapped as I am, I just confirmed they have the E-book for loan on my local library website. Borrowing from the library may help authors less than purchase, but it’s still better than piracy.

  • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
    886·
    11 hours ago

    OK that’s the last straw for me. I am willing to give the benefit of a doubt to people, but this is the third strike for this person. So I’ve asked them to move their comm to another instance as they don’t align with our instance values.

  • its_prolly_fine@sh.itjust.works
    1110·
    7 hours ago

    I’m not a fan of the tone they are using to discuss this. There is a difference from transitioning before puberty vs after. There are specific biological differences that a mtf woman will have that hormones won’t change. There is an issue that needs to be resolved with sports. I don’t know what the solution is, but shutting down conversation doesn’t seem like it. Shutting down transphobia, yes absolutely. I hope I’m not coming off poorly.

    • ShareMySims@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPEnglish
      157·
      7 hours ago

      There are specific biological differences that a mtf woman will have that hormones won’t change.

      This is transphobia since it is factually incorrect and stems from wilful ignorance, and I’m shutting it, and your tone policing, down. There, how’s that?

      • punchmesan@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        3·
        1 hour ago

        What makes you think it’s willful ignorance over garden-variety ignorance? Being incorrect and thinking you are correct is different from purposefully keeping yourself ignorant.

        I have no horse in this race, and willfully being ignorant and spreading disinformation about trans topics willfully is indeed transphobic and warrants aggressive shutdowns, like the comment I’m replying to. But unless I’m missing something I don’t see the evidence of bad intent here? It just seemed like a bit of a leap.

    • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
      52·
      6 hours ago

      Im leaving his comment up in order to respond but I don’t want to rehash that discussion here.

      The reason this decision was taken was not just this one discussion. It was because that person has too many red flags for my liking on the stuff they would defend, always juuuuust skirting the line of what is acceptable discourse here.

  • SplashJackson@lemmy.ca
    413·
    6 hours ago

    We’d better do our best to ruin these people because they don’t agree with us. No tolerance for the intolerant! Everyone who doesn’t immediately sign up for our beliefs, must be intolerant, by definition. Burn em all!!!

  • VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    69·
    6 hours ago

    Why don’t we just make a trans league so we can just stop talking about this with anyone ever again?

    Also, does a person who has gone through male puberty before transition not have at least some advantage in certain areas due to bone structure alone? I understand that trans girls who pre-empt puberty are likely physically equivalent to their cisgendered peers, but I have my reservations about integrating people who transition later in life. If I’m wrong, I would love to see any studies anyone may want to share.

    • jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      21·
      1 hour ago

      fun fact: your body is an incredibly dynamic system and hormones are the major drivers for those changes. swap the hormones out and the body adjusts to its new normal. when you do this is fairly immaterial.

      also ‘later in life’ you mean when adults are playing sports together? oh no… or do you mean professional sports where transgenders currently would be banned regardless because of bigotry? what exactly are we talking about here?

      maybe you should leave these opinions to train medical professionals who work with these issues on the regular instead of your gut.

    • southsamurai@sh.itjust.works
      72·
      5 hours ago

      Nope. Male puberty doesn’t cause changes that aren’t mitigated by transition.

      Any changes to bone structure that don’t change are the ones that are present in any athlete in a given sport.

      I’m not digging through studies for you, because I haven’t gotten a single paycheck from anyone ever for doing so online. That information is out there, and it’s your responsibility to do your due diligence on the matter.

      If you don’t know that you’re wrong or right already, by having looked for the information needed to make a credible opinion, maybe hang back a bit, or at least ask better questions.

      • VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        41·
        4 hours ago

        Maybe some people learn things by asking questions in the right spaces to be corrected intellectually. I’m completely fine with being wrong, that’s why I asked a controversial question here. I don’t need you to provide studies to rethink my opinion, I just figured people in this thread might have some available. Apparently the only thing you have on hand at the moment is snark.

        Also you’ll only help educate people if you get paid? What??? This would have been such a good moment to point me toward literally any resources that could help in my research. You didn’t even have to link a study, you could just link a database. You and I both know there are studies funded by special interest groups that are biased against trans people.

        Anyway, thanks for your statement. I guess I’ll have to look into this more myself. Just keep in mind that most people, when the burden of research is placed upon them by someone who clearly has knowledge of the subject, will simply say “fuck that” and keep being ignorant.