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Sorry to beat the same drum in a short amount of time, but this is where thinking Biden wasn’t doing enough has led. Perfect being the enemy of the good and all. Explicit calls for ethnic cleansing were at least not on the table with the last administration.
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You voted for this. And many people here are responsible.
Explicit calls for ethnic cleansing were at least not on the table with the last administration.
Trump: we should ethnically cleanse Gaza
Democrats: 👏 HIRE 👏 MORE 👏 FEMALE 👏 GENOCIDE 👏 DENYING 👏 PRESS 👏 SECRETARIES 👏
With that sense of humour, I believe you’re qualified to work in a '90s newsroom. Be sure to let us know how that goes.
Democrats and Republicans, the two sides of the same imperialist coin.
Sure biden wouldn’t have explicitly called for ethnic cleansing but he was and would continue sending them all the bombs they needed to do it while supporting all of their propaganda. The only difference is rhetoric and speed.
Why are you angry at the voters who “failed the party” and not at the party for failing to attract voters?
It’s not my fault I shot myself in the foot. Someone should have provided me with a better pair of shoes.
No I can’t be bothered to take up cobbling.
They’re supposed to represent us. Not the other way around.
No. They’re supposed to be a means for us to make intelligent decisions that keep the world from being as bad as it possibly could be. They’re a means of exerting our influence other than spilling blood.
Is it better when they represent us? Yes. Is it better when we have access to politicians who actually have a substantial moral compass and aren’t swayed by money? Absolutely.
But does that mean that if we don’t have that we should throw childish fits and sabotage our own world in response? Absolutely not.
Want to know a good way to make sure that politicians actually focus on representing the interests of their electorate?
…Become a politician and do it. Put your money where your mouth is. Instead of having a tantrum and letting the worst possible person literally light the government on fire, go be the change you want to see.
Or, if you’re not willing to do that, use your intelligence to make the world as good as you can with the limited power that you have instead of lying on the ground kicking and screaming because nobody’s doing it for you.
Now you see the problem here is I never expected better shoes, I knew damn well no one would give them to me. I also despise the insinuation that the democrats provided protection of any kind
So become a cobbler.
Why are you quoting something miles away from anything that I said?
My apologies, that wasn’t a quote it was meant to imply sarcasm. I was saying failed the party in a facetious sense because I don’t believe anyone actually failed them.
The Democratic Party failed with their lurch toward neoliberalism in the '90s in the face of Gingrich. NAFTA was virulently antilabour, and things didn’t get better from there, with the next domino being WTO shit.
Jordan, Egypt or “other places”
How about Florida?
Palestinians are entirely too reasonable to be able to conform to Florida expectations.
Letting them destroy the whole place was step 1. I guess everybody’s seen the pictures.
“Thinking Biden didn’t do enough led us here” is an insane thing to say. Voting for Trump led us to step 2. You’re not even sure the people you are blaming did vote for Trump, are you? Stop the blame game and focus.
I’m not here to defend the prior administration. I just find it almost comical that anyone thought Trump would be an improvement if not for the drastic outcomes we’re going to see. Bluntly, I think he wants the strip cleared out so that he and the Kushners can get some cheap real estate. The only thing that matters to him is self enrichment.
If you believe this is an improvement, that’s certainly your right, but I don’t see it.
I just find it almost comical that anyone thought Trump would be an improvement if not for the drastic outcomes we’re going to see.
OK…just to make sure I understand you correctly - the people you’re mad at, are people who either voted for Trump, or didn’t vote at all, because of their opinions about Biden’s response to the genocide in Gaza.
if that’s accurate, two questions:
a) what is your estimate for the size of that group of people?
b) how many actual individual people in that group can you identify by name? how many do you know personally? (vs having read a news story quoting them)
Counterpoint: What’s the relevance of either of those questions for an election that happened three months ago? I don’t like relitigating unspooled events.
You’re welcome to your opinion that Biden or Harris would have been worse, but the facts don’t bear that out at all. I’m not mad at people; I’m somewhat surprised Pikachu that anyone thought this would not be the net result and vote accordingly.
Projecting your political beliefs and rationales on others is not Beeing Nice. Your takeaway is not at all what I said, no matter how much you’d like it to be.
What’s the relevance of either of those questions for an election that happened three months ago? I don’t like relitigating unspooled events.
my brother in Cthulhu, you started this post by saying:
this is where thinking Biden wasn’t doing enough has led.
you should decide if you’re for or against re-litigating things
Projecting your political beliefs and rationales on others is not Beeing Nice.
meanwhile, one paragraph above, you’re projecting an opinion onto me that I don’t have:
You’re welcome to your opinion that Biden or Harris would have been worse
People really didn’t understand how thin the line Kamala and Joe had to walk was. They need financing to win elections they can’t be hyper libs so aggressively or they wouldn’t have help from shitty corporate evil America
Anyone who fell for the genocide joe shit would fall flat on their face in a political world.
How well did that work for them? They had a billion dollar campaign, most of which was utterly wasted on advertising in already-saturated TV markets and pointless celebrity endorsements. Maybe they could have accepted less corporate money, been content with a mere $500 million campaign, and not driven their base away.
i think the genocide joe libs were a strawman. everyone I know who was basing their decisions on the gaza genocide understood that Trump would be worse, and all of them decided to vote for Harris in the end anyway. If you personally know anyone who did actually abstain their vote over this issue, feel free to prove me wrong.
But to this point, you have to ask yourself: if Dems are doing almost all of the same evil shit as Republicans, but in a friendlier package, what is the point of voting for the Dems? If the billionaires have bought everyone on either side of the aisle, how can I trust any candidate to make votes that are in my best interest? Why should I be forced to vote for one of two candidates that are both bought and paid for by shitty corporate evil America? Trump isn’t an abberation - we got here because Dems refuse to stop playing the SuperPAC game. By refusing to take any action that might scare off donors, they set the stage for our current crisis. They aren’t the ones dismantling our government as we speak, but they ignored all the signs and continued governing as if we are still in the 90s, because none of the heinous shit they vote for actually affects them.
I mean, that’s the conversation we need to be having as a country. Not to toot my own horn, but I warned about this in a column at the turn of the century that became known as my “Spam and kumquats” piece, arguing that if those are the only two things in the store, you’ll eventually think one is your favourite food.
On one hand, you’re not wrong.
On the other, getting a combo of “Congress + Senate + Supreme Court + Administration” controlled by the same people who walk around with Nazi flags, make Nazi salutes, call people “sub-human”, plan mass deportations… kind of goes beyond “shitty corporate evil”.
Damn, it’s too bad the average citizen is who participates in elections and not only political masterminds. I guess nobody could have known to account for that.
It takes half a brain cell to look at your options and know the one is far worse for anything you support than another. It takes two brain cells to know politicians are held to their financial benefactors.
If your conclusion is “non voters are just stupid” without examining what in their lives led to them feeling like their vote won’t matter or count (with reason, in some cases) you’re not really doing anything other than venting about losing.
We don’t only live in a nation that is heavily propagandized and with a suppressed vote when Republicans have the presidency, that’s true all the time. Until we fix that and other issues with our political system, a portion of voters won’t be able to be (or have a reason to be) engaged.
I mean, I’ve been homeless for nearly a year and a half and saw this coming. You don’t have to be some political savant.
But Biden!!!
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JQ-ing? Really?
The answer to violence or evil committed by a subset of semitic people is not antisemitism.
Palestinians are semites, despite Israel erasure of the name from them.
I’m so fucking sick of people not understanding what the words they’re lobbing mean. Of course Palestinians are Semitic. Everyone in the Middle East with minor exceptions is. And having had Palestinian friends over the years, they aren’t against Israel existing as a concept; they’d just like some (proportion varies) of their land back and to be treated with dignity. I don’t see that as a huge ask.
Oh, goy … you actually went there.
