• Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world
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    I literally had to tell people libertarianism fails harder and faster than communism was getting weird stares until I told them about the book “a libertarian walks into a bear”

    I still look like a raging communist but idc

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    Then go live in China 🤡

    Bro I just said I don’t want diabetics to pay 300usd per month for insulin jfc

    • Broadfern@lemmy.world
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      13 hours ago

      How dare we want our country to be better and for our fellow citizens to not die in cartoonishly preventable ways? /s

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        Not to mention that those same people will post shit about “why are we helping foreigners when people at home are suffering”-sorry stop me if you’ve heard this one ten-thousand times before.

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          “I’m just gonna hit the pause button right there, bud. The US government doesnt help people.”

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    I have multiple times had the experience of explaining to non-Americans elements of our system, and they simply don’t believe me. They think I’m making it up to fuck with them because it’s so atrocious that it couldn’t be real.

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    11 hours ago

    Can you point me to a real first world developed country not run by a dictator that doesn’t have capitalism? I need a reference to see that the alternative is better. Genuinely asking.

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      At anything bigger than city scale, it’s pretty much impossible to implement any “real” alternative without fuckloads of work - we’re talking 10+ years. Making a commune on a farm with ~15-ish people is easy (lots of hard work, but doable, there are historical examples of success), but even that group has to participate with the capitalist mother state whenever they need to get stuff they can’t produce themselves. If the commune grows too much, it becomes impossible to keep things running smoothly because, well, there’s just too many people involved now.

    • Refurbished Refurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org
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      No, because we live in a global society where if you don’t participate in global trade (especially with the USA in the past couple hundred years), your country will fail.

      The USA has played a massive part in making communist experiments fail, most notibly the USSR.

      The closest thing that the western world has is the nordic countries’ social democracy, which is still capitalist by nature. They only implemented it, though due to communism being literally right around the corner (USSR)

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        I don’t think you can get to communism where there’s a relatively small group in power tasked with dividing the means of production. That power will be abused like oligarchs do now.

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          Yeah, I agree with that. Mass centralization is bad regardless of the situation IMO. We need collaboration instead.

          I’m personally a fan of Prof Wolff’s idea to force all corporations to surrender ownership to their workers, converting them into worker-owned coops. This would largely mitigate the ability for extreme wealth concentration to happen to begin with, especially if combined with other wealth-limiting regulations.

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          I’m sure fighting a global proxy war for most of a century has absolutely nothing to do with the (state) failure of the USSR.

          Now, excuse me, I have to go to the ER because of all the compounded brain damage it takes to both think that and say anyone that believes otherwise is a tankie.

      • marcos@lemmy.world
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        Democratic socialism without the support of capitalism is truly and completely unheard of.

        Capitalism is a tool, use it and beat it back into submission when it fails.

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          But don’t worship it. Make it work for the nation, don’t make the nation exist for the sake of the economy. This is what we do in America, and it’s fucking wrong.

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      There is more than one alternative and some of them involve having capitalism…