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He’s going to fund it with the tariffs
Socialism is good when the govt buys my shitcoin
Ironically I’ll go out of my way to buy our support businesses who aren’t American more than I will those that are American
His supporters now love socialism.
Seems more like the standard fascist approach to me. It’s probably not going to stay government owned.
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Demonize a minority group
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Government takes control of businesses owned by members of that minority
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Government gives control of the business to (typically larger) businesses owned by the dominant group, allowing them to artificially produce growth (what Zucc is likely aiming for)
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Narrow the scope of who is accepted in the dominant group, move on to the next minority, and repeat.
This is why communists often describe fascism as “capitalism in decay.” Because of the tendency of the rate of profit to fall, it becomes harder and harder for companies to find new ways of producing growth, and have to find methods that aren’t involved with actually increasing productivity, which is where you get enshittification. The fascist economic solution is obviously unsustainable, it’s like eating your own arm, but corporations that are desperately focused on short term growth (the vast majority of them) will happily sign on.
Socialism, otoh, is not about finding more stuff to feed into corporations, but, upon reaching that point, transforming the economy to remove the need for endless growth through nationalization. But socialism is not synonymous with nationalization, especially when the nationalization is selectively targeted and (most likely) temporary.
I realize now I was using the incorrect application of the term socialized. As a Canadian our healthcare and other services are labelled as such - incorrectly.
Went down a rabbit hole of the various terms after someone else said state capitalism. From nationized to state corporation to the Marxist issue with state owned corps to Einsteins opinions.
By all accounts, it definitely isn’t socialist.
Thanks for the reply
This is the kind of discourse that should be coming from .ml folk more often. More minds changed by proper discussion than soapbox evangelism.
Well thought out, not intentionally antagonistic, no holier than thou finger wagging. Just facts laid out.
I applaud you.
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Yes think of it more akin to what the Germans did to companies that failed or that they didn’t like during WW2.
Very similar premise.
That’s not socialism. It’s state capitalism. Socialism would mean the workers owned (and controlled, not just nominally owned) the means of production.
I was wrong. The term is widely used - incorrectly in Canada for a lot of things.
You sent me down a rabbit hole of information regarding various types of state owned corps.
TIL a lot.
How the fuck is this a valid executive order when it’s clearly purse string shit. This is something congress would have to do.
He’s off the leash. Neither Congress nor the Supreme Court will stop him.
The funny thing is, if just won’t work. Ok, he says to do it. Some lackey goes off to do it. But someone has to sign the check. The money has to come from somewhere. That’s when the shit hits the fan.
Unless Congress does whatever he says like little lap dogs. Ok, yeah, I convinced myself now that it’ll happen.
Congress would have to first stop him. He does so many blatantly illegal things though and nobody ever actually cares, though, so that’s unlikely.
Two inches from the best timeline. We got fucked.
Two inches from the best timeline. We got fucked.
What two inches? What was the best timeline that we missed out on so narrowly? 2000? Because Reagan won by a lot, if I’m remembering correctly.
I mean any timeline without this 2nd Trump term would be a heck of a lot nicer.
Sometimes shit to get really bad before it gets worse…
Example: the great depression.
But it doesn’t seem like Trump pleb supporters are coming around… Yet. Let’s see how much abuse they can take from daddy.
Well they haven’t seen much abuse yet. They just dodged a nice bump in inflation for a month.
It’s in the old feudal sense, your sovereign demands tribute…
People need to hit up their old pol sci books haha…
So TikTok will become state media. That can’t go wrong.
Always has been
just not even hiding they’re the National Socialism party.
There was no socialism in the party… Wether historically, nor now
Of course there wasn’t. Calling it like that was a marketing ploy to pull in leftist workers (see eg https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party). Fun part is that this trick still works, given how often it is used as evidence that “left-leaning people are the real nazis”.
Pretty sure Hitler provided something to the “proper” Germans… Trump ain’t gonna do shot for his pleb base, just the owner class base like President Musk.
Indeed, his rhetoric gave the people back their pride, he gave them infrastructure and a job and helped Germany from the ruins of WW1 back on its feet. All for a massive war effort (and much, much worse), as it turned out.
Orange Mussolini is just an awful grifter, in it for himself indeed.I’ve heard that what Nazis gave their population economically was funded by a few huge-ass scams and burning remaining reserves. The “back on its feet” part was not their achievement.
That I would not know, tbh I never heard of anything like that.
I didn’t say there was.
I thought TrumpCoin was the sovereign’s wealth fund.
Can’t put all eggs in one basket eh?
