Hiiii everybody! We need rules to keep the place from going off the rails and your mod team would like you to give them a review and let us know what you think. We’re going to implement them now as a temporary ruleset so I’ll slap them into the sidebar shortly, then make amendments based on commentary. Here’s what we’ve got:
Community Rules
- Be nice. Assume others have good intent (within reason).
- Block or ignore posts, comments, and users that irritate you in some way rather than engaging. Report if they are actually breaking community rules.
- Use content warnings and/or mark as NSFW when appropriate. Most posts with content warnings likely need to be marked NSFW.
- Most 196 posts are memes, shitposts, cute images, or even just recent things that happened, etc. There is no real theme, but try to avoid posts that are very inflammatory, offensive, very low quality, or very “off topic”.
- Avoid AI generated content.
- Avoid corpoposting.
- Avoid misinformation.
- Avoid incomprehensible posts.
- No prejudice such as transphobia, racism, ableism, etc.
- No threats or personal attacks.
- No spam.
- No tankie, nazi, or any other authoritarian behavior.
- No genocide denial.
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Can we also add a no links to
twitter.com/x.comrule like other communities are starting to add? Not that many people are generally doing a lot of linking here, but still would be good to have sort of rule against itI would like to voice my support for the “no authoritarian” rule. Just because liberals use the term “tankie” to wrongly describe non-auth leftists, doesnt mean the word isn’t clearly defined or that it shouldnt be used.
If you’re auth-“left” or find yourself doing apologia for the few genocides and instances of human rights voilations that the west opposes, you’re a tankie. It’s safe to say that genocide apologia and human rights violations of any kind should have no place on 196.
I like the anti-authoritarianism and no genocide denial rules, it’s just the term tankie being used specifically that feels like the biggest issue imo. It’s misused so often that it kinda ends up excluding a decent number of people. Someone doesn’t need to self-identify as a tankie to feel excluded, just getting called one enough by others for expressing anything left-wing can do it. Its not that I think any of the mods here would use it to wrongly remove stuff like a .world community might, but for people who don’t know as much about Lemmy/196 it wouldn’t be surprising for people to assume that because they get called a tankie on world that they wouldn’t be welcome here.
And definitely agreed human rights violations and genocides definitely shouldn’t be defended regardless of what country did them, but I think since we already have the no genocide denial rule those should be covered anyway.
I’d like to second Sop’s request to remove “no tankie” because i have seen people use it to insult any kind of person left of the united states liberal parties. Anarchist? get called a tankie, slrpnk got called “tankie”, and the list goes on
It has the same energy as “woke” it is just a pejorative used to split us
besides anything a “tankie” says that would be out of pocket would be against every other rule anyway so why not make a small gesture to include leftist trans shitposters that get called tankie on the lemmyverse no matter what their political ideology is
I prefer that we leave the “no tankie” rule intact, its sadly very important on lemmy with all these lemmygrad, hexbear etc. servers around. Mods know what tankies are, and we dont have to cater to people who dont know the definition of words we use.
“Tankie” is an important destinction because it seperates leftists from the edgy geopolitics enjoyers, and we would loose that destinction if we drop that word. Lastly, “tankie” is mostly willingly misunderstood by tankies, who want to water it down so they can infilitrate other leftist communities. Thats what happened back on reddit at least.
I think moderators of LBZ’s own Liberty Hub have been called tankies by people at .world or sh.itjust.works
So it already is a muddled definition so who is on either side of the distinction is not consistent and can be used to alienate people from this community who would like to participate. If a stalin meme gets posted remove that or whatever but i dont think the community needs to be worried about malicious infiltrators
Some people at .world dont know what they are talking about and thats ok. Lots of people there also dont know much of the queer terms we use here, and thats also ok.
If e.g. someone thinks “cisgender” is an insult, or exclusivly describes a queer person, that doesnt change the actual use, even if the mistake is common(like i have seen with “cisgender”).
So I think the definition is fine. If you can imagine the person in question defending brutal, oppressive actions of a State with a red flag, they are a tankie. And if someone self identifies as “tankie” then im not sure that id like to converse with them anyway, other then to get them to change their mind. And thats what this rule is for.
And lastly, infilitrating leftist spaces is the favorite activity of many tankies ive encountered back on reddit, many subs were “tankiefied” because of this. It does happen, sadly.
I definitely agree with being against states/state oppression. I think the main problem is just that someone doesn’t actually need to self identify as a tankie to feel excluded by the word. If someone gets a bunch of angry comments on .world calling them a tankie when they definitely aren’t, then even if this community/instance is trying to use it in a different, more accurate way it still has the possibility that they would feel unwelcome here. When the prevailing way tankie gets used by the rest of Lemmy is incorrect, then that usage kinda becomes the first thing people will associate it with when they see the term somewhere else on Lemmy.
I think for official rules tankie is vague enough that it’s better to just be explicit in what is actually against the rules like what’s already there with the “no genocide denial” and “no authoritarianism” lines. Adding “no tankies” on top of that just leads to a less clear definition of what sort of behavior is actually against the rules imo. Since everyone has different ideas of what someone being a tankie means it’s not always just the authoritarian aspects that get lumped into the definition but sometimes the leftist aspects too.
Obviously none of this is to say that authoritarianism, genocide apologia, or anything like that should be allowed. I’d just personally like the rules being more clear about that explicitly instead of muddying stuff unnecessarily by using tankie.
Misogyny should be added to list of no prejudices since it was common on the previous community.
Also I’ll repeat my request for removing ‘no tankie behavior’ because ‘tankie’ has no consensus definition which makes it a divisive term. In this community I’ve seen several people describe all Marxist Leninists as ‘tankies’. I strongly dislike sectarianism and I would like ML’s to feel welcome here. Any posts that are harmful to the community should just be moderated on the basis of its harm.
I’ll also say I’m in support of removing the “no tankie” rule. I’m all for anti-authoritarianism, but with how often tankie gets misued on Lemmy at large having the rules specifically use it always kinda felt like just a potential avenue for removing general left-wing stuff. Not that it has been used for that on 196 necessarily, or that it will be in this community, but it still feels like tankie is a loaded enough term that just having more specific rules is better.
Like you said sectarianism sucks, and right now in the US at least it I’d say solidarity is more important than ideological differences. I’m super anarchist, but if a ML is also attending protests, building mutual aid, and fighting for immigrants and trans people then who am I to exclude them when currently the more support the better. (There are arguments for why this viewpoint is wrong or right, and whether solidarity with authoritarianism in fighting existing power structures is counter-intuitive or not, but it also doesn’t feel like those arguments apply as much in something like 196 imo.)
(Also 100℅ agree on adding misogyny. Obviously the list of prejudices isn’t exhaustive or anything but misogyny is a big one and it feels like it should definitely be there.)
I prefer the “no tankie” rule, all it means is if you identify as tankie, you are not welcome. Which filters out a lot of problematic behavior.
Misogyny should be added to list of no prejudices since it was common on the previous community.
Might be worth adding more examples of bigotry to that rule, yes. Good shout.
Also I’ll repeat my request for removing ‘no tankie behavior’ because ‘tankie’ has no consensus definition which makes it a divisive term. In this community I’ve seen several people describe all Marxist Leninists as ‘tankies’. I strongly dislike sectarianism and I would like ML’s to feel welcome here. Any posts that are harmful to the community should just be moderated on the basis of its harm.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
I am personally not in favor of removing the “no tankie” rule. Marxist leninists are by definition or at the very least in practice auth. It is true that the term has been used by libs against other socialists however, which is annoying. It’s also true that no authoritarianism would include marxist leninism, however specifically calling it out has merits as well.
I feel like tankie is a very precise term for the kind of “communists” that cheer when people get run over by tanks. Therefore, a good test to see if someone just cheers for “imperialism but red” or genuinely cares about liberation.
The term is very commonly not used that way though, adding it to the rules will drive away leftists that also don’t like people getting run over by tanks.
Yeah, I’ve seen the term applied more broadly than MLs even, and agree that ‘no tankie behavior’ should be removed.
Just having ‘no authoritarian behavior’ should suffice anyway right?
corpoposting
I think it would be best to define those terms. I have a vague idea of what “corpoposting” means, but rules should be concrete and subject to as little interpretation as possible.
If you want to keep the neat list format, you could use
:::spoilertags to create rollouts that contain a detailed description. For example:Avoid corpoposting.
Avoid subjects that glorify the excessive exploitation of people or resources.
Bigotry is not allowed.
This includes (but is not limited to):
- Discrimination based on gender identity or preference (homophobia, transphobia, etc);
- Discrimination based on race, ethnicity, nationality, language, or religion;
- Discrimination based on a person’s physical or mental capabilities, or of differently-abled people.
Using a better term than corpoposting might be wise, yes. I interpreted it as no advertising by companies and similar
not just by companies but also people going like “omg I LOVE McDonalds!!! EVERYONE should go give money to McDonalds RIGHT NOW!!!” (exaggerated but u get what I mean X3)
What app are you using? That spoiler tag isn’t working for me on Jerboa.
Ah, right, it’s nonstandard markdown. According to Jerboa’s issue tracker, missing spoiler block rendering was reported in June of 2023 and solved a few days later.
Is it possible that you’re using an outdated version, or that you have to enable nonstandard markdown in the settings?Scratch that, I just checked and confirmed that it is still an issue. If you can, you should open an issue on Jerboa’s github.I’m using the standard Lemmy web UI (version 0.19.3 hosted by LW) on a desktop browser. I’ve just checked Alexandrite, Photon, Voyager, and the old.reddit-style UI, and they all work fine.
Seems like reasonable rules to me
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