Continuing the good things Biden had done (chips act, student debt cancellation, etc), while protecting reproductive rights, at least pretending to treat minorities like humans, while being the only rational option that had a chance.
My life has gotten markedly worse since biden and so has that of all my coworkers. More of the same “nothing will fundamentally change” Biden except as a first black Indian woman president!!! is simply not appealing and it has nothing to do with identity politics. This economy is destroying the working class. My entire department coworkers voted for trump, almost all of them for the first time. It’s vermont. They’re pro women, pro lgbtq, don’t care about race. But Biden’s economic policies did not help them at all. All of the twice obama thrice trump voters? Same fucking thing. But that doesn’t fit the neat little identity politics narrative conveniently invented to keep people from talking about class issues and gaining class consciousness. You see, the working class greatly surpasses the ruling class in size and we’re heavily armed. Don’t want the working class getting any ideas so best to invent or manipulate identity issues to keep it divided.
If only you’d talk to people instead of parroting liberal MSM talking points that remind me of bush claiming Islamic terrorism was because they hate us! And not you know, the product of decades of US intervention in the Middle East especially the support of Israel’s bullshit.
But objectively Bidens policies were better for them. This is the problem with voting on feels and not data. Unless they voted for Trump to burn the system down in hopes that’d improve things, they voted for their situations to worsen. As well as the situation of those vulnerable groups they ‘care’ about.
Okay, great! Now, here’s where I point out the problems. Keep in mind that I am not happy that Trump won, what I want is for the democrats to take their well-earned lessons from their fuck up and not fuck up again, instead of staying in denial of any responsibility and trundling into the midterms convinced that they did everything perfect in '24.
A lot of voters fundamentally didn’t feel the good things Biden did. We have a lot of student loans debt, and I can live with the fact that our debt didn’t get cancelled, but it’s really frustrating that they touted the payment plans for those whose debt remained as some kind of win. Those cool payment plans they were making a fuss about actually would have increased our payments. More on that below, but that’s kind of the general vibe of Biden’s accomplishments and how they were oversold in '24. Yeah, he did undeniably do some good things, but those good things were ultimately just kind of okay for the average person, and got sold as if he was the ghost of FDR. A lot of folks are out there drowning, and the campaign’s messaging vibe around it was “congratulations on having been rescued by Joe Biden!” It’s a little like when you’re on hold with a cable company for four hours because they’re the only Internet provider, or you’re playing phone tag with the health insurance company because they’re the only option provided by your employer, and they start bragging about how cool they are on the hold message. It does not spark joy. If you pointed out that the economy wasn’t better for the average person, or that the messaging was tone-deaf, you got accused of being MAGA and told to shut up. So, the message of “continuing Biden” in a time where incumbents around the world were getting their asses beaten, and Biden was at his lowest popularity yet, was a huge fucking mistake imo.
I still don’t get why they had to die on the hill of defending a guy who was no longer seeking re-election when they had a perfect opportunity to put distance between them. It should have been the obvious thing to do when the Trump campaign was also trying to make sure that voters associated Kamala with Biden.
I don’t think that fear is effective messaging anymore, and I’m not sure it ever was. Running on “Trump’s going to get you”, even if it is true, has a 50% track record (at the time, now 33%) at the best interpretation, 0% at worst (being that Biden didn’t run on “Trump’s going to get you”). There’s too many people who don’t follow politics closely. As someone who likes arguing with strangers online, this confounds me, but it’s true. I don’t think fear-based messaging is meaningful for those folks, even if true.
I mean, pretend you didn’t pay attention to politics. What’s a better one sentence pitch? What you said, or “you’re going to win a lot, you’ll be tired of winning”?
P.S.
Following up on student loans:
It’s also frustrating that instead of trying to make a meaningful change to at least start addressing the system that creates the student debt problem, the big fix they offered was a band-aid of debt forgiveness (for some people). That’s not meaningful change, it’s a band-aid.
It seems whenever someone pointed out that the the economy wasn’t better for the average person, people weren’t told to shut up or accused of being MAGA. But told that ‘the economy’ doesn’t measure cost of living for normal people. It’s the stock market. Regardless of that it was better by most measures comparing the rebound against other countries. Disinformation was just more effective and reality did not matter.
If one can side just fabricate a southern invasion, or convince people inflation is high when it isn’t. It doesnt really matter what the other side does.
If you didn’t pay attention to politics you should’ve been able to take one look at Trumps actions around Jan6 and vote against it, no listing to the media required. It was transparent AF. Recordings of him trying to coerce more votes out of states, and all the nonsense that came afterwards, etc. But unfortunately fear is too effective, and the Dems are much worse at it. Too busy nitpicking a lame campaign and sowing doubt rather than the pure denial and unity the people want.
Disinformation was just more effective and reality did not matter. If one can side just fabricate a southern invasion, or convince people inflation is high when it isn’t. It doesnt really matter what the other side does.
Bingo.
The last few elections have really highlighted how uneducated and easily manipulated the American public is. And as far as I can tell, disinformation is going to be our future. The average American just isn’t interested in responsibly informing themselves. And because of that we’ll never have the Congress we need to reign in the forces pushing that disinformation (not that you can ever really stop it now that Pandora’s Box is open). So the future goes to whatever party can fabricate the most extreme blatant lies to scare people into voting for them.
what I want is for the democrats to take their well-earned lessons from their fuck up and not fuck up again
Wonder how many rights we’ll lose and how fucked up our economy will be by the time we get the felon rapist out of office, assuming we can get him and his party out of office after they attempt to make good on their promise to “reorganize” our government after inciting an insurrection to topple it. But at least maybe Democrats will “learn their lesson” by then.
I don’t think that fear is effective messaging anymore
Lol. That’s literally how Republicans win. They cornered the market on it. They developed fear-based politics into an art form. THEY’RE EATING OUR PETS. INVADING IMMIGRANT CARAVANS. THEY’RE STEALING YOUR JOBS AND RAPING YOUR CHILDREN. BIDEN IS TOO OLD (totally ignore that our guy is equally old).
If anything, Democrats need to learn how to lie and scare people into voting for them more effectively, because clearly that’s what nets American votes.
What’s a better one sentence pitch? What you said, or “you’re going to win a lot, you’ll be tired of winning”?
I mean I guess if I cosplayed a moron I’d go with the winning comment. If I remain in the shoes of someone with a normal number of brain cells, then I’d rather hear about accomplishments and policy.
Okay, so if the lesson is blame the voters, then what’s the plan? Scoff in disbelief and say “God, I can’t believe you guys are still this stupid” when the Democrats lose again in 26 or 28?
But Biden is SOOOOOOOOOO old. Like 3 whole years older than the ancient rapist we just elected.
I mean, we know Democrats are a WAY better option for the average American, but can you imagine someone 3 WHOLE years older than the felon we elected being president? Totally unacceptable.
No, I know she gave concrete policies, I watched the debate. What I mean is that
The policies weren’t much to write home about
I’m asking about the elevator pitch. Give me the campaign message in one sentence.
Continuing the good things Biden had done (chips act, student debt cancellation, etc), while protecting reproductive rights, at least pretending to treat minorities like humans, while being the only rational option that had a chance.
My life has gotten markedly worse since biden and so has that of all my coworkers. More of the same “nothing will fundamentally change” Biden except as a first black Indian woman president!!! is simply not appealing and it has nothing to do with identity politics. This economy is destroying the working class. My entire department coworkers voted for trump, almost all of them for the first time. It’s vermont. They’re pro women, pro lgbtq, don’t care about race. But Biden’s economic policies did not help them at all. All of the twice obama thrice trump voters? Same fucking thing. But that doesn’t fit the neat little identity politics narrative conveniently invented to keep people from talking about class issues and gaining class consciousness. You see, the working class greatly surpasses the ruling class in size and we’re heavily armed. Don’t want the working class getting any ideas so best to invent or manipulate identity issues to keep it divided.
If only you’d talk to people instead of parroting liberal MSM talking points that remind me of bush claiming Islamic terrorism was because they hate us! And not you know, the product of decades of US intervention in the Middle East especially the support of Israel’s bullshit.
But objectively Bidens policies were better for them. This is the problem with voting on feels and not data. Unless they voted for Trump to burn the system down in hopes that’d improve things, they voted for their situations to worsen. As well as the situation of those vulnerable groups they ‘care’ about.
Okay, great! Now, here’s where I point out the problems. Keep in mind that I am not happy that Trump won, what I want is for the democrats to take their well-earned lessons from their fuck up and not fuck up again, instead of staying in denial of any responsibility and trundling into the midterms convinced that they did everything perfect in '24.
I still don’t get why they had to die on the hill of defending a guy who was no longer seeking re-election when they had a perfect opportunity to put distance between them. It should have been the obvious thing to do when the Trump campaign was also trying to make sure that voters associated Kamala with Biden.
I mean, pretend you didn’t pay attention to politics. What’s a better one sentence pitch? What you said, or “you’re going to win a lot, you’ll be tired of winning”?
P.S. Following up on student loans: It’s also frustrating that instead of trying to make a meaningful change to at least start addressing the system that creates the student debt problem, the big fix they offered was a band-aid of debt forgiveness (for some people). That’s not meaningful change, it’s a band-aid.
It seems whenever someone pointed out that the the economy wasn’t better for the average person, people weren’t told to shut up or accused of being MAGA. But told that ‘the economy’ doesn’t measure cost of living for normal people. It’s the stock market. Regardless of that it was better by most measures comparing the rebound against other countries. Disinformation was just more effective and reality did not matter.
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If one can side just fabricate a southern invasion, or convince people inflation is high when it isn’t. It doesnt really matter what the other side does.
If you didn’t pay attention to politics you should’ve been able to take one look at Trumps actions around Jan6 and vote against it, no listing to the media required. It was transparent AF. Recordings of him trying to coerce more votes out of states, and all the nonsense that came afterwards, etc. But unfortunately fear is too effective, and the Dems are much worse at it. Too busy nitpicking a lame campaign and sowing doubt rather than the pure denial and unity the people want.
Like I asked elsewhere, if the lesson is blame the voters, then what’s the plan? Cross our arms and scoff incredulously when we lose again next time?
Accelerate until enough pain gives enough people a reality check. Go all in on the antivax propaganda next time and reduce their numbers.
Bingo.
The last few elections have really highlighted how uneducated and easily manipulated the American public is. And as far as I can tell, disinformation is going to be our future. The average American just isn’t interested in responsibly informing themselves. And because of that we’ll never have the Congress we need to reign in the forces pushing that disinformation (not that you can ever really stop it now that Pandora’s Box is open). So the future goes to whatever party can fabricate the most extreme blatant lies to scare people into voting for them.
The future is not looking bright.
And the dems had 4 years to throw trump in jail but that’s “too political”
They’re useless so why vote for them?
To shift the Overton window left.
That would mean shifting the democratic party left. They’re the ones pulling that end of the window right.
Wonder how many rights we’ll lose and how fucked up our economy will be by the time we get the felon rapist out of office, assuming we can get him and his party out of office after they attempt to make good on their promise to “reorganize” our government after inciting an insurrection to topple it. But at least maybe Democrats will “learn their lesson” by then.
Lol. That’s literally how Republicans win. They cornered the market on it. They developed fear-based politics into an art form. THEY’RE EATING OUR PETS. INVADING IMMIGRANT CARAVANS. THEY’RE STEALING YOUR JOBS AND RAPING YOUR CHILDREN. BIDEN IS TOO OLD (totally ignore that our guy is equally old).
If anything, Democrats need to learn how to lie and scare people into voting for them more effectively, because clearly that’s what nets American votes.
I mean I guess if I cosplayed a moron I’d go with the winning comment. If I remain in the shoes of someone with a normal number of brain cells, then I’d rather hear about accomplishments and policy.
Okay, so if the lesson is blame the voters, then what’s the plan? Scoff in disbelief and say “God, I can’t believe you guys are still this stupid” when the Democrats lose again in 26 or 28?
I can’t believe the blue magas are this stupid. It’s like they want to lose. Idiots.
But Biden is SOOOOOOOOOO old. Like 3 whole years older than the ancient rapist we just elected.
I mean, we know Democrats are a WAY better option for the average American, but can you imagine someone 3 WHOLE years older than the felon we elected being president? Totally unacceptable.