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If it’s a legitimate fire the House has ways to shut it down.
There is a niche industry of private firefighters in SoCal. I’m not sure why he is tweeting for them instead of googling them, and calling.
“Did someone email us about a fire?”
Is there really? My heavens.
Well this is about a place in the us and we are in full clown world.
Makes sence that private sector fire departments are back. Wonder if they will also start back up the practice of arson towards thier competition.
What you need are some beautiful rakes.
“Why isn’t throwing money at the fire making it stop???”
This is fun. This is the moment in history when the fire department stops being an example of successful socialism.
The government made a situation in which there’s no water available. That’s the problem with socialism: it’s a monopoly without an incentive structure to continue providing services. It’s great until the government fucks up the service so badly that nobody can get access to it. Then the socialized thing becomes a nothing.
socialism is when the government does stuff, and the more stuff it does the more socialist it is
The government is people, and people acting in bad faith are the foundation of the shittiest parts of human history.
Slash budgets and sabotage government services
Government services fail
:o
Are you saying privatizing systems makes them better prepared for extreme circumstances? The energy infrastructure in Texas is an example where they aren’t incentives to invest in rare occurrences and therefore people die when it snows in Texas.
Fire fighting is a category that has tried privatized model and thoroughly thoroughly shown to not work at all as a privatized endeavor.
Key problem in that is that requires the firefighters to protect only properties that have paid for their services. So a wildfire breaks out in the middle of nowhere, and you see it, but no one pays to protect “middle of nowhere”, so business wise it doesn’t make sense to fight a fire without a customer. Nevertheless, that’s your only hope to control it, so you end up protecting a whole lot of non-subscribers to try to protect your subscribers. What if your customer is surrounded by non-customers? You shouldn’t fight fires back, but unless you push back on the neighbor properties your customer gets burned. If you know your neighbors have protection, you might opt out knowing that, practically speaking, their coverage means you get covered.
Another problem is that privatized suggests competition. Which means coordinated response is severely limited. Also, they can’t run parallel fire hydrant infrastructure in any reasonable way, so water on the truck or from the customer direct are all you can get. This is a recipe for being highly ineffective.
This is putting aside how private industry loves to optimize around the normal day to day demand. Being prepared at all times for the worst case is expensive, so private industry tends to shit the bed when faced with a catastrophe because they only have the modest capacity to keep expenses under control. When this is something like a shortage of smartphones, no big deal people just have to wait for the scenario to subside and get by as-is, it’s worth it to have affordable smartphones 99% of the time. But for a wildfire that would cause multiple gigantic catastrophes a year. What we see in LA now would be a routine disaster in the privatized scenario.
Jesus you’re dumb
This was a case of not being prepared for climate change. There was four times the normal demand for 15 hours straight. The water ran out because nobody anticipated needing the amount they did. That wasn’t because of socialism.
burning to death to own the libs. gee I sure am triggered, what a snowflake I am
Please seek the nearest high school and complete your education champ.
Is having a functional society with public services not a good enough incentive for you ? that’s your return on investment
Yes, let’s scrap the whole thing because of this one fire. /s
There are 50 wildfires burning in the US right now, and that’s a very low number, only because it’s winter.
Do you realize just even 20 years ago how many kids used to die in fires? We’re doing fantastic. 50 years ago, I’d wager everyone knew a kid that died in a fire.
https://www.fireweatheravalanche.org/fire/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/376703/us-civilian-fire-deaths/
Get fucked Keith, Crassus and his shitty private firemen haven’t been around for a fat minute. But hey you should celebrate, this is your free market paradise right here. Meteorological markets shorted the value of your home’s existence.
He’s gonna get an insurance payout like almost everyone there. I wouldn’t be surprised if state legislature takes tax money from the masses to make the rich who live there ‘whole’ on top of it.
Then there’s FEMA/Federal tax dollars that they’ll get even if the state government doesn’t hand them piles of cash.
They always get their payday. They never actually risk anything, they just steal from the middle class taxpayers.
Insurance companies don’t like to pay out for the same thing more than once.
Well think of the shareholders. This is gonna tank some insurance companies.
Bah, insurance companies never lose man. They’re just gonna crank up rates come policy renewal time and earn a commission/profit on top of the increased rates.
I don’t know, but I was being sarcastic. Fuck ‘em.
Fuck 'em. Lol
Yeah, dude doesn’t understand that old “I’ll put out the fire but you have to sell me your house for $5,000” trick
He should just douse the fire with bootstraps.
He should grab the flames and take them off the house.
People need to realize the rich are not smart. And when they fuck things up, we all suffer.
It’s nice to see them fuck around and find out, but we cannot afford to keep watching them find out on climate change. They’re going to get us all killed.
People need to realize the rich are not smart.
Just look at Phony Stark.
Crazy thing is that there are people who genuinely think he is very smart, because he uses bots on social media to promote that image and it works as we can see.
What did “the rich” do to create this situation where there’s no water to feed the hydrants?
“The rich” created an environment for this to happen by making sure the government could not regulate anythingand be effective in addressing any issues such as climate change, insurance, public utilities. You name it they fucked with it.
And Nestle being allowed to take it practically for free for decades
Well it turns out a brand new fire engine is nearly 500k, plus equipment, firefighters, training.
The price might be more than one is willing to pay!
Is it bad I kind of want to con these rich fucks out of some of their money so I can afford to move away from this greed prison country?
No not at all, they don’t deserve more money than us.
I know! But I always bog myself down with moralistic, philosophical questions like “is that how they got started?” and “does that make me as loathsome as them?”
Questions they I doubt they ever felt the weight of.
Most of them got started with generational wealth. Be careful though. The only crime the rich people get in trouble for is stealing from other rich people.
Just send them official looking bills with obtuse language describing the billed work. Many will just pay them without looking further into things. I once did a landscaping delivery to some nouveau riche looking a-hole who bragged about being so busy and rich, that he just payed whatever bills came in. He also wasn’t that rich, but liked to look the part. Probably swimming in debt right now.
Wait this is unironic? Like not trying to troll the ancaps or something? I’d troll it on r/austrian_economics if I wasn’t banned.
Congratulations! After processing your payment of $1392.63, we have put out the fire on your house.
Since everything else around you is still burning, we will require another $1392.63 to come out again.
Wouldn’t the neighbours house already being on fire be considered a pre existing condition?
Welcome to the days before professional police and fire. Where only the wealthy could afford to pay for their homes to be protected or crimes against them to be pursued. The poor had to hope for community to come to their aid.
The police have always acted mostly for the benefit of the rich. American police started out as slave catchers for wealthy plantation owners.
All true. They protect wealth.
Calling it: Trump will privatize those services to ensure rich people never have to watch their houses burn because the firefighters were busy saving poors
The poor will just get substandard service and usage fees vs the rich who will get it included in their insurance.
And then there’s California, where nobody gets access to fire response
those poor rich people! gasp!
Ancient Rome had privatized fire department. Caesar’s friend Crassus got the job and used it to extort people to sell their homes in a neighborhood when a fire broke out. As a result he became one of the richest people in history. He was also killed by the Persians who poured liquid gold (or silver, depending on source) on his decapitated head and sent it back to Rome.
America’s original firefighters were private industry as well. They were known to loot peoples property and allow fires to spread in order to charge more for putting out multiple buildings. So it sounds like we have about 2000 years of history telling us private firefighters aren’t a great idea.
Without any irony at all these people simultaneously demand deregulation of all industries
Also, the fires that broke out were mostly ones he started himself.
Fake news, everyone knows the Christians started all those fires.
He was also killed by the Persians who poured liquid gold (or silver, depending on source) on his decapitated head and sent it back to Rome.
we should bring that back. the persians were onto something here.
Best I can do is liquid poo
sold
Beaten to the Crassus comment 😮💨
On an unrelated note, “crass” basically means fat
Interestingly “krass” and “fett” are both informal/ slang in German for something incredible
Crasse in frensh has a “really bad”/cheap&bad connotation.
Remember… these are the oh-so-smart Richie Riches that gets to be the de facto ruling elites in our capitalism-addled society.
He also doesn’t want to pay property taxes, and for what little it’s worth, he drives a cybertruck/wankpanzer.
Upvote for wankpanzer. That’s gold
I can’t claim to have created that nickname, I borrowed it from elsewhere.
I don’t think anyone else has used WombleWagon yet, though it’s not quite as brutal.
If anyone gives you a dirty look for saying it, immediately apologize and correct the pronunciation to "vank"panzer.
Perfect!
Oooh, wankpanzer, that is beautiful, thank you 🤣
Can we please start calling it president wankpanzer?
