• i_love_FFT@jlai.lu
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    1 day ago

    Anyone who’s not at least a bit disgusted by their own country needs to learn more about their country’s history.

    Fuck the Catholic Church and old Canadian governments creating boarding school for indigenous people! It’s impossible to be blindly proud of Canada, but it’s still an awesome country.

    • Auli@lemmy.ca
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      1 day ago

      Oh come on get over that. We should not feel bad for what others have done. I hate this B’s of we must be shamed for what the past has done.

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        24 hours ago

        Acknowledging the past, realising/feeling bad things were done, and deciding future choice need to be better is not the same as personally feeling shame. Feeling responsible for a better future and feeling responsible for bad past decisions are independent concepts.

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          Right, my anti-nationalism spiels goes both ways. I don’t think we should feel a personal sense of shame for the things others who came before us have done. But that lack of personal shame doesn’t take away being responsible for the future. I’ve been advantaged by my forefathers at the loss of others, and that makes me responsible for using that advantage to give back. That is not the same as feeling shame for the circumstances of my birth.

          Even outside of politics, I tend to preach a philosophy of accountability, but not blame. Blame is “I should have done better,” while accountability is “I can and will do better.”

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      No. It isn’t. I don;t know why it is so hard to distinguish that the country is the government, The people are just people.

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        Because that’s simply not true. A country is not its government. Look at literally any revolution in the entirety of human history and that’s an obvious fact. The peoples, the cultures, the social norms that give a country the distinct feel that defines what it is survives beyond any given government.

        The Canadian government works for, or at least is supposed to work for, Canada. It is not Canada in of itself. I’m so sorry that you feel so disenfranchised that you seem to believe otherwise, but we collectively decide what out country is. No elected official gets to decide it for us.

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            9 hours ago

            You’ve got a lot of vague disdain for the state of Canada, but offer next to nothing when it comes to specific issues. Who is “they,” and what culture is it that you perceive “they” have taken from us?

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              9 hours ago

              Gee. I wonder why that is. Maybe I’ve explained at length and you’re kinda fucking stunned to be asking that at this point.

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                You certainly have not explained anything beyond showing a vague hatred for the government, and a deeply held belief that they’re somehow responsible for killing any sense of a national body. Perhaps you’ve explained yourself in detail in another conversation, but I was certainly not aware of it.

                Maybe I can ask more directly: What do you think makes Canada uniquely Canada? Ignoring the whos, whys and hows, what do you believe we have lost, culturally speaking?