• eldavi
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    9
    ·
    edit-2
    7 days ago

    this GUTS ME to no end; i’m convinced that lower decks is the truest form of roddenberry’s ideals since tos.

    not that, that’s a requirement since ds9 is both my most favorite and the most furthest away from roddenberry’s vision of our future; but it’s BADLY need in a world where a huge majority of people who call themselves trekkies disavow the same leftist ideals that roddenberry shared with the world by doing things like voting for trump and defederating from tankies.

    • gwilikers
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      edit-2
      4 days ago

      Honeslty, what version of Trek are these people watching that isn’t obviously leftest? TNG and DS9 are pretty left leaning IMO. Perhaps you could argue VOY and ENT are less so. I think they’re less outwardly political at least.

      I was watching a video early today and they pointed out that the Simpsons have become empty signifiers. Their original subserviness has been hollowed out and they basically represent whatever people want them to represent. They’re such a big part of the cultural Zeitgeist that they can mean anything to anyone.

      I suppose one could argue that’s the case for Star Trek, especially if we take into account some of the more modern bastardisations of the brand.

      Then again, another part of me wants to chalk this up to people being dumb. If you listen to RATM and think they’re anything but radically left, anti-establishment and anti-authoritarian, it’s not the product of the greater cultural forces of late capitalism. It’s cuz your dumb.

      • eldavi
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        4 days ago

        green day put out a song named “american idiot” that carried a message similar to ratm.

        my nephew introduced to me when he was a teenager because he liked the message that it carried; but he’s since started a family his evangelical wife and now thinks that trump isn’t such a bad guy after all.

        i want to blame him and trump, but even green day used the word removed in it’s original meaning and the guys from ratm have turned into crypto bros.