Trump threatened it would be “very dangerous” if he were jailed over the new charges he’s likely facing, citing the “passion” of his fan base.

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    Making the United States a union of sovereign territories instead of a country with a powerful federal government sounds like a familiar idea.

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        You mean the ones that are also headed towards total societal collapse within the next decade? Yeah, I’m sure they’ll totally have plenty of resources to spare for a trans-pacific invasion when they can’t grow any crops.

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      Who said anything about that? This country should be split up entirely. It’s already completely unable to function by any reasonable standards, and for decades the harm it’s caused its own people and the world at large has been increasingly outweighing any good it does. Empires are always negative forces and should always be dismantled.

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        How would you split the country? There are heavily blue areas in red states and heavily red areas in blue states.

        Or do you just want chaos?

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          I don’t have the solution, I just have the basic sense to see that what this country is is entirely unsustainable.

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            Your solution ignores that all we really need to do (and I say that like it’s easy but I acknowledge it’s not) is remove the parts of our system that prevent an accurately representative government. Stuff like the electoral college, the cap on House seats, and the dominance of plurality voting. The root problem we see here is that a minority of people have more power over the government than the majority of people.

            Like I said, this is much easier typed out than done, but it is not impossible, and is much more likely to succeed than “make a fascist country and give it a humongous border with the democratic country that it views as ‘the enemy’” Even if there were a clean way to split it up (there isn’t: cities are blue, rural areas are red), much of the red state’s income comes from the federal taxes from blue states. Do you really think that’s going to end well?

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        This country should be split up entirely. It’s already completely unable to function by any reasonable standards, and for decades the harm it’s caused its own people

        Weird that you start talking about Russia all of a sudden.

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          Yeah, Russia is significantly worse. We all know. That doesn’t change the fact that the US is sprinting head first into the woodchipper, too.

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            Do you think that Americans do not understand that it is precisely because the USA is the most successful country in the world that foreigners try to shit on us?

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              Sounds like copium to me. We have a few good things going for us, but to say we’re far and above every other country is insanity.

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                to say we’re far and above every other country is insanity.

                That depends on what domain and what metrics we’re talking about. The US is by far objectively the wealthiest nation in the history of the world, which is nothing to scoff at. American military is far above and beyond the capability of other nations.

                I wouldn’t say we’re a shining city on the hill that should be an example for everyone, we certainly have our issues, but we shouldn’t overlook the domains where we are successful.

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                  Like I said, there are some things we do extremely well. Sharing the wealth of the country amongst the citizens of the country is something we fail at miserably. My personal favorite thing is the first amendment to the constitution because I happen to value freedom of thought. Another thing we tend to do really well. Our culture also has a certain resilience that I appreciate. I only hate on America because I know what it could be if there was collective pushback on the oligarchy that seems to have so many of us in a trance.

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                Did not say the US is “far above every other country”, only that we are the most successful country in the world, on average, and by multiple metrics, but not all metrics.

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        The person I replied to did:

        The US is probably not going to survive as a unified nation for very long, and honestly, it probably shouldn’t.