Let’s compare the update process when you want to shutdown your computer:
Windows:
Doesn’t leave you the choice: your getting updated now, deal with it
Starts to update
Reboots, update for 2 minutes (wasn’t that bad)
Reboots again, updates for 15 minutes (come on man, I’m gonna miss my train !)
Reboots AGAIN ! continue and eventually finishes the update
Shutdown
Fedora:
We have downloaded updates, do you want to Install them before shutdown?
Not this time, thank you
Shutdown
Or if you do let it install, reboots always just once, updates 2 minutes, done.
If you have disk encryption or bitlocker, you just can’t let the PC update unattended. Not knowing how many times windows needs to reboot for this update is hella annoying.
Doesn’t leave you the choice: your getting updated now, deal with it
Interesting, my W11 allows me the choice between ‘Shutdown’ and ‘Update and shutdown’. I’ve never had it force an update on me.
For the other points: are you still running Windows on spinning rust or something? I’ve never seen update take longer than a few minutes at most. And why are you waiting for Windows to do its thing? Choose ‘Update and Shutdown’ and go catch that train.
Only time I have no choice is when I’ve been putting that update off, and off, and off, for a while. I see that little orange dot but I either ignore it, or I snooze it, or whatever. And one day windows is like all right dude, you gotta do this, let’s go.
Maybe I don’t get choice because it’s the laptop provided by my company for work. It’s not old rust, it’s new from this year and has 32GB or RAM and and SSD and a rather powerful CPU. It is fucking slow to do anything tho ! My older laptop still had windows 10 and would take 30s to boot up, this new one takes 5 to 10 minutes ! Just open a Excel sheet takes 45 seconds…
Could be they enforce the update process through policies, while annoying that is not a bad thing perse. On my Linux machine I can run an ancient kernel, leaky libraries and all kinds of vulnerable software and my employer would be none the wiser. Everybody is responsible for maintaining their own machine, no matter if they run Windows or Linux. That’s the other side of the spectrum and pretty bad from a security perspective, in all honesty.
Your slowness could be caused by BitLocker being enabled on an SSD not supporting hardware encryption, causing Windows to do the encryption in software mode. That uses the CPU for encryption and can drastically reduce performance. Might be worth checking out, on those specs Windows really should not be slow.
Don’t usually have these problems in a managed business environment. We update thousands of systems all the time.
It’s as if the problem is with letting users manage systems, regardless of the OS.
Also, I don’t have these problems on my home systems, or any system in my circle that’s managed by me, regardless of the OS. And when I say managed by me, I just mean users aren’t local admins, and I’ve trained them to let me handle app installs and updates. If they see something shiny that they want, let me know and I’ll help them get what they want.
The ones I don’t manage are always a shit show. Like yesterday, told a friend he’d have to fully reset one of his systems, because the user is a local admin, so of course it’s all fucked up. I’m not spending my time tracing what they allowed to be installed because they couldn’t be bothered to read what the malicious app would do. You want to be lazy, you’re paying the price of a reset.
Maybe now he won’t let them run as admin all the time.
Don’t let users run as admin/root, and many problems go away.
Let’s compare the update process when you want to shutdown your computer:
Windows:
Fedora:
If you have disk encryption or bitlocker, you just can’t let the PC update unattended. Not knowing how many times windows needs to reboot for this update is hella annoying.
I shutdown on windows without updating all the time. Not sure where you’re getting no choice from.
It’s my work laptop, configured by IT. Maybe that’s why.
Interesting, my W11 allows me the choice between ‘Shutdown’ and ‘Update and shutdown’. I’ve never had it force an update on me.
For the other points: are you still running Windows on spinning rust or something? I’ve never seen update take longer than a few minutes at most. And why are you waiting for Windows to do its thing? Choose ‘Update and Shutdown’ and go catch that train.
Only time I have no choice is when I’ve been putting that update off, and off, and off, for a while. I see that little orange dot but I either ignore it, or I snooze it, or whatever. And one day windows is like all right dude, you gotta do this, let’s go.
Maybe I don’t get choice because it’s the laptop provided by my company for work. It’s not old rust, it’s new from this year and has 32GB or RAM and and SSD and a rather powerful CPU. It is fucking slow to do anything tho ! My older laptop still had windows 10 and would take 30s to boot up, this new one takes 5 to 10 minutes ! Just open a Excel sheet takes 45 seconds…
Could be they enforce the update process through policies, while annoying that is not a bad thing perse. On my Linux machine I can run an ancient kernel, leaky libraries and all kinds of vulnerable software and my employer would be none the wiser. Everybody is responsible for maintaining their own machine, no matter if they run Windows or Linux. That’s the other side of the spectrum and pretty bad from a security perspective, in all honesty.
Your slowness could be caused by BitLocker being enabled on an SSD not supporting hardware encryption, causing Windows to do the encryption in software mode. That uses the CPU for encryption and can drastically reduce performance. Might be worth checking out, on those specs Windows really should not be slow.
Don’t usually have these problems in a managed business environment. We update thousands of systems all the time.
It’s as if the problem is with letting users manage systems, regardless of the OS.
Also, I don’t have these problems on my home systems, or any system in my circle that’s managed by me, regardless of the OS. And when I say managed by me, I just mean users aren’t local admins, and I’ve trained them to let me handle app installs and updates. If they see something shiny that they want, let me know and I’ll help them get what they want.
The ones I don’t manage are always a shit show. Like yesterday, told a friend he’d have to fully reset one of his systems, because the user is a local admin, so of course it’s all fucked up. I’m not spending my time tracing what they allowed to be installed because they couldn’t be bothered to read what the malicious app would do. You want to be lazy, you’re paying the price of a reset.
Maybe now he won’t let them run as admin all the time.
Don’t let users run as admin/root, and many problems go away.
Well, you’re probably better at IT than the IT employeed by my company :D
I do not have any privileges on this laptop.