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    I don’t think you fully grasp the dynamics, but from an outside perspective I’m sure it’s difficult to truly appreciate.

    Quite honestly, I often think that Americans are more confused about their own politics than the rest of the world.

    I do believe the working class would be better off with Bernie Sanders than Harris, but also better off with Harris than Trump. That’s fairly obvious. So why do you believe that being more pro-working-class would help Harris win their vote?

    The working class does not care about the working class. That’s the thing. The main error of the left is to not own medias like conservatives do to aggressively push their views.

    And I wish at one point progressives will try to reconquer the conservative electorate instead of infighting.

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      The main error of the left is to not own medias like conservatives do to aggressively push their views.

      You’re right in that Dems are terrible on messaging. They really suck at it. But, Dems are center right. To call them “left” is just a fallacy these days, just look at their policy proposals if you can get past the identity politics bs to find them. I don’t agree that corporate news media is the answer. Look at what happened with CNN for example…corporations can be bought and quickly transformed to suit the new owners.

      The working class does not care about the working class.

      This is the exact kind of elitist bile Dems spew which turns off voters. Of course the working class cares deeply about their social and economic well being. Unfortunately, nobody in power does. Why should they, after all? Nobody they interact with on a daily basis suffers the plight of the working class citizenry. Still, paid family leave, universal federal background checks, child tax credit, Medicare for all - these are all insanely popular policies which poll at 60-90%+ approval ratings. Why do the Dems refuse to run on these issues? Because their donors pay them not to.

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        It is not messaging. The messaging of conservatives is terrible too. It is about owning media to play the propaganda game. Policies are irrelevant, image is everything.

        Of course the working class cares deeply about their social and economic well being.

        They vote opposite to that. I know it sounds elitist, but it is also factual: someone poor who votes for Trump votes against their interests and does so out of ignorance.

        Why do the Dems refuse to run on these issues?

        They don’t?. See, they did not shout their message loud enough if you haven’t heard it. There is not a single “identity politics” item, that’s how conservatives have framed this and that’s their message you imprinted.

        So fuck the platform, the same would have happened with Sanders. The problem is that the message is not being placarded loud enough into social media, TV, newspapers, that not enough people get bribed to tell voters they are stupid if they don’t vote for dems.

        The gloves should have been taken off a while ago. The battlefield is the widely ignorant voter population. Either you find a way to educate them or you accept to play the propaganda game.