This discussion would be entirely irrelevant if we had a more representative electoral system.
People could be free to vote how they wish, secure in the knowledge their vote would still be counted against the republicans.
The people not voting are disenfranchised by the two party system. Change how we vote and allow competition into the electoral process. Multiple political parties should be free to compete.
More people represented and involved in the political process
More people voting means more votes for democrats
More chances to defeat the republicans
More people on the debate stage calling out bullshit (and you could have still hold one even if one party decides to not participate)
And last but not least, shouldn’t we want the most representative voting system possible? Shouldn’t we be concerned when our working class brothers/sisters/so on are under represented to the point that they dont vote?
Still not convinced First-past-the-post voting is the problem? Republicans in Florida passed legislation protecting it. Republicans in alaska are trying to repeal Ranked choice voting because voters used it to pick a more moderate conservative (the alternative was Sarah palin).
Isn’t the republicans liking and wanting something not the most ultragigagigantic red flag that ever existed?
Democrats have proven they can no longer go it alone. They had their chance. Time to swallow your pride and arrogance and let others participate. This fight isn’t about the democratic party. It’s about survival.
The United States of America is more important then the Democratic Party.
And how effective was the Liz/Dick Cheney appeal to the suburbs, in the end?
Given the growing demographics since 2020
Trump should not have effectively flatlined given a growing electorate - until there was depressed turnout he’s never actually had the popular vote.
2016:
Trump - 62,984,828 / 46.1%
Clinton - 65,853,514 / 48.2%
2020Cycle with heightened turnout for all parties
Biden - 81,283,501 / 51.3% [+ 15,429,987 vs 2016]
Trump - 74,223,975 / 46.8% [+ 11,239,147 vs 2016]
2024:
Trump - 74,644,300 / 50.5% [+ 420,325 vs 2020]
Harris - 70,910,573 / 47.9% [- 10,372,928 vs 2020]
All that means is that the Dems ran on the terrible platform of trying to court Republicans instead of trying to court progressives. It has nothing to do with voting systems.
This discussion would be entirely irrelevant if we had a more representative electoral system.
People could be free to vote how they wish, secure in the knowledge their vote would still be counted against the republicans.
The people not voting are disenfranchised by the two party system. Change how we vote and allow competition into the electoral process. Multiple political parties should be free to compete.
More people represented and involved in the political process
More people voting means more votes for democrats
More chances to defeat the republicans
More people on the debate stage calling out bullshit (and you could have still hold one even if one party decides to not participate)
And last but not least, shouldn’t we want the most representative voting system possible? Shouldn’t we be concerned when our working class brothers/sisters/so on are under represented to the point that they dont vote?
Still not convinced First-past-the-post voting is the problem? Republicans in Florida passed legislation protecting it. Republicans in alaska are trying to repeal Ranked choice voting because voters used it to pick a more moderate conservative (the alternative was Sarah palin).
Isn’t the republicans liking and wanting something not the most ultragigagigantic red flag that ever existed?
Democrats have proven they can no longer go it alone. They had their chance. Time to swallow your pride and arrogance and let others participate. This fight isn’t about the democratic party. It’s about survival.
The United States of America is more important then the Democratic Party.
Great theory, except Trump won the popular vote too.
And how effective was the Liz/Dick Cheney appeal to the suburbs, in the end? Given the growing demographics since 2020 Trump should not have effectively flatlined given a growing electorate - until there was depressed turnout he’s never actually had the popular vote.
2016:
Trump - 62,984,828 / 46.1%
Clinton - 65,853,514 / 48.2%
2020 Cycle with heightened turnout for all parties
Biden - 81,283,501 / 51.3% [+ 15,429,987 vs 2016]
Trump - 74,223,975 / 46.8% [+ 11,239,147 vs 2016]
2024:
Trump - 74,644,300 / 50.5% [+ 420,325 vs 2020]
Harris - 70,910,573 / 47.9% [- 10,372,928 vs 2020]
All that means is that the Dems ran on the terrible platform of trying to court Republicans instead of trying to court progressives. It has nothing to do with voting systems.