ID: line drawing of an upright bunny with a black bandana tied around their neck, holding a lit match in their mouth like you might a toothpick. The text says “we can’t just vote fascism away, the time has come to disobey. (be brave!)”

  • kandoh@reddthat.comEnglish
    234·
    6 hours ago

    Everyone’s fantasy of armed and organized leftist resistance would’ve been a lot easier to do without right-wing extremists in control of the federal government.

    If you are organizing publicly online, they aren’t going to just sit back, they are going to come for you.

    This is going to be a repeat of iran in '79. Leftists will be wiped out.

        • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
          6·
          3 hours ago

          Just a warning, and I’m hoping we never get to this point, but you’re wrong. The issue isn’t that the technology doesn’t work. The issue is the more people in the loop the easier it is to infiltrate. If you’re organizing to do crime, communicate as little of it as possible, even if it’s encrypted. The encryption only protects the message from being seen by outsiders and doesn’t prevent an insider from being a spy.

  • deaf_fish@lemm.eeEnglish
    131·
    8 hours ago

    I still have hope that we will have a democracy in 4 years. We’ll see how it goes. It might be time to get a firearm and start putting in some range time.

    • nickwitha_k (he/him)@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
      10·
      6 hours ago

      I still have hope that we will have a democracy in 4 years.

      This is what people, both libs and “teach the dems” non-voters don’t seem to be getting: that’s not how facism works. Even if it were the case, at minimum, the courts are captured for the rest of anyone currently living’s life. That’s done.

    • Bytemeister@lemmy.worldEnglish
      9·
      8 hours ago

      Also do these other things… Read a few books on guerrilla warfare and tactics.

      Learn to sew

      Learn to operate a radio

      Grow your own food

      Generate your own power

      Fascists government are going to target your comfort and communication in order to enforce compliance.

    • JoYoEnglish
      3·
      8 hours ago

      the range time alone is worth doing.

  • Euphorazine@lemmy.worldEnglish
    112·
    9 hours ago

    I’m still feeling bitter and a fast food place last night asked me to tip, so it got me thinking that maybe this is the time to push out tipping culture. If the country wants the party of “fuck you, I got mine”, then fight your own battles for your wage.

    Legally, if they don’t make minimum wage through tips then the employer has to make up the difference (in practice this likely doesn’t happen). Maybe it will make them care more about the minimum wage if it affects them.

    • squid_slime@lemm.eeMEnglish
      10·
      8 hours ago

      instead i would say you could tip and hand out union material now that would really fuck the rulling class off.

    • ShareMySims@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
      8·
      9 hours ago

      I can see where you’re coming from in theory, but if we rely on employers to treat employees fairly we’ll be waiting a long time (they’re already demonstrating that they would rather ignore the law and potentially face a minor fine, than pay the minimum wage), and the only ones who will suffer will be the sub-minimum wage employees who now aren’t getting that tip either.

      You make people care by building solidarity with them, not by using them as a bargaining chip.

      • Euphorazine@lemmy.worldEnglish
        31·
        6 hours ago

        If wait staff stop getting tips, eventually they will strike or quit and the restaurants will have to change their model. My solidarity exists that if they strike then I won’t shop there until they agree to a compromise. I don’t see how the existence of the US’s unique tipping culture is our responsibility.

        • ShareMySims@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
          12·
          5 hours ago

          So your solution is to starve those already struggling, instead of support them and together taking the fight directly to the employer, or even better, to the political establishment?

          That’s a really gross and privileged take. Do the people in your vicinity a favour and don’t eat out, they don’t deserve to have to wait on someone who would rather see them starve before offering any support or even solidarity.

          E: I’ve got it now - yours is the liberal version of pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

          • Euphorazine@lemmy.worldEnglish
            3·
            5 hours ago

            That is fighting with the employer. Tipping is what the employers want. That’s why my idea of “disobeying” was that this is when the movement to end US tipping culture makes sense. Europe has restaurants and they don’t have a tipping culture.

            I don’t get why if I don’t tip that I’m the one starving the employee, and not the employer.

    • TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.comEnglish
      17·
      8 hours ago

      The cashier making MacMinimum Wage needs your political throttling ?

      They are your emotional pawn because you look down at them being poor ?

      What a great Democrat you turned out to be. You could run for president with that kind of attitude.

      • Euphorazine@lemmy.worldEnglish
        7·
        6 hours ago

        They aren’t a political pawn. This is what we want. This is what we voted for. It’s not my responsibility to pay their wages. If they don’t like their compensation, they can strike or look elsewhere for employment. Clearly trying to push for better compensation through law isn’t going to work.

  • iAvicenna@lemmy.worldEnglish
    33·
    4 hours ago

    about %50 not voted for Trump maybe less than %1 of that willing for armed resistance. about %50 voted for trump half of which is masturbating to the idea of being able to use their guns on the other side.

    time to be realistic…

    • M0oP0o@mander.xyzEnglish
      5·
      3 hours ago

      Or time to invest in ballistics.

      Really though, gunnuts come in all shapes. I think you might see a lot more left leaning ones popping up.

  • Zachariah@lemmy.worldEnglish
    5216·
    12 hours ago

    We could have voted it away. And it would have been way easier than the alternatives. But we chose not to.

    But since we didn’t organize to vote it away, I’m not sure how we’re going to organize a general strike. And anything else is so difficult and so messy and has very little guarantee of improving anyone’s conditions.

    • ShareMySims@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
      235·
      11 hours ago

      We could have voted it away.

      Lmfao, news flash: it’s already here, has been for a while.

      Never mind that never in history has tyranny ever been voted away. To think otherwise you must completely misunderstand what tyranny and fascism are, as well as how the current establishment functions.

      • Perhapsjustsniffit@lemmy.caEnglish
        101·
        10 hours ago

        Vote it away. It’s been a joke for so long and people cling to the idea that it works so badly. I am Canadian. We are also past voting. The systems of government must be torn down. They are corrupt and do not work for the people.

        • ShareMySims@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
          6·
          10 hours ago

          Hear hear…

          I’m in the UK and we have the same situation + monarchy, for added funsies. I keep thinking people are getting enough of a glimpse behind the curtain at the fact that the system wasn’t designed to serve them, but to centralise power in the hands of very few people who exploit the rest to continuously strengthen their own power, but part of those efforts are the propaganda, and it just goes to show how well it works that despite so much ugly truth being revealed over and over, some people still see “my team vs your team” as the only way to exist. It’s both sad and very scary.

              • squid_slime@lemm.eeMEnglish
                2·
                7 hours ago

                Sick I attend a local anarchist group called radical learning based in devon.

                Solidarity comrade.

                • ShareMySims@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
                  1·
                  7 hours ago

                  Solidarity!

                  I just looked up that group, I’m assuming this is it? I’ve only skimmed the page and will give it a good read in a bit, but that’s really fucking cool, I wish I wasn’t hundreds of miles away lol but it’s always good to see leftists organising in this country! I’m in the process of moving, not sure exactly where to yet, but once that’s happened I’m hoping to find some anarchist and communist folks locally to wherever I am, having that kind of community is so valuable.

    • Smith6826@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      121·
      12 hours ago

      We could have voted it away.

      Don’t forget gerrymandering and other fraudulent methods of deciding victory like the electoral college being baked into this diseased system.

      They only give the illusion of choice.

      • Ricky Rigatoni@lemm.eeEnglish
        63·
        10 hours ago

        None of that stopped Biden from winning last time when people actually showed the fuck up to the polls.

        • Smith6826@sopuli.xyzEnglish
          53·
          10 hours ago

          The 2-parties in this monopolized system are owned by the same corporate interests and mega-rich. Everything is by their design. We never had a choice.

          The system will never work for us, because it’s working as intended. We need to annihilate it and start from scratch. There is no fixing it from the inside and hoping the next person isn’t just another lesser evil to vote for.

            • Smith6826@sopuli.xyzEnglish
              32·
              9 hours ago

              How does enabling a fascist help us on this path?

              Are you responding to the wrong person? Who’s talking about enabling fascists?

              • Ricky Rigatoni@lemm.eeEnglish
                32·
                9 hours ago

                How does not voting and allowing a fascist to win allow us to dismantle the system?

                • Smith6826@sopuli.xyzEnglish
                  4·
                  9 hours ago

                  How does not voting and allowing a fascist to win allow us to dismantle the system?

                  Who the hell said to not vote? I’m saying it’s not the cure for this diseased system that we need to dismantle and rebuild. Vote on that 1 day, then organize with like-minded people to enact some real change every other day.

                  Please don’t twist my words.

  • leadore@lemmy.worldEnglish
    38·
    4 hours ago

    “We can’t just vote fascism away”

    Well, if you’d voted for Harris we could have, but have fun doing it you way, especially now that the military will be standing by to kill your asses on sight.

    • Eugene V. Debs' Ghost@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      2·
      2 hours ago

      Trump losing elections doesn’t change the people who vote for fascists. We can vote out Trump, we can’t vote out the corrupt police, the companies that enable and fund it, and the mass media that supports him.

      Trump is the symptom of a larger disease.

    • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
      2·
      3 hours ago

      I believe, if we get to that point, a large portion of the military will be on our side. There are still a lot of good people in the military that, if it’s turned inward, won’t follow those unlawful orders.

      I also had hope that Trump wouldn’t have won the election though, so this could be wrong.

      • leadore@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        2 hours ago

        They definitely won’t be on your side. Of course some will have qualms about carrying out those orders against their own people, but for various psychological reasons, they’ll go along. The best chance is if the military leadership refuses to give the unlawful orders to their troops.

        • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
          1·
          1 hour ago

          Yeah, a lot of the leadership wouldn’t follow that order is what I was implying. The grunts would then have to decide who’s orders are valid and figure out what side they’re on.

          If Trump uses the military on citizens, I’m reasonably confident that’s the start of US Civil War II.

          • leadore@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            35 minutes ago

            Yeah I hope they wouldn’t. Maybe they’ll try to resist it for a while but they’re choosing between following orders and losing their career at best and possibly more extreme retribution from trump at worst.

    • ShareMySims@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
      4·
      4 hours ago

      Since you can’t bother to formulate an original thought, I won’t bother providing an original reply, here’s a copy pasted one I made earlier:

      Lmfao, news flash: it’s already here, has been for a while.

      Never mind that never in history has tyranny ever been voted away. To think otherwise you must completely misunderstand what tyranny and fascism are, as well as how the current establishment functions.

      • leadore@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        2 hours ago

        Oh is it, now? smh If you really do have the guts to go out and protest the mass deportations, Gaza, and whatever else, you’ll find out the hard way what fascism really is. But I have a feeling you’ll just stay home and watch it on TV.

  • penguinsAreRapists@lemmy.worldEnglish
    61·
    10 hours ago

    Fuck these fuckin’ fascists (Fuck these fascists) Fuck their family and friends (And their friends) If they defend a fuckin’ fascist (Their ancestors) They can fuck off 'til they’re dead (And all their kids)

    • Miles O'Brien@startrek.websiteEnglish
      141·
      12 hours ago

      They used to own tons, but sadly since the boating mishap, they’re all at scattered at the bottom of a really deep lake.

      Who would have thought that bringing every single one of your legally purchased firearms onto a small boat to show them the world would be a bad idea?

      Oh well, no need to look for them.

        • Miles O'Brien@startrek.websiteEnglish
          7·
          9 hours ago

          It’s just a joke about how people “don’t have any guns” because they lost them. Not stolen because they would have to report that. They’re somewhere unreachable that you technically COULD verify, but likely wouldn’t unless there’s a very specific (usually requiring a warrant to get people to move) reason.

          So “boating accident” is to goto joke accident. Nobody would actually believe you if you said that to a cop, judge, or courtroom.