• shneancy@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    i’m an anarchist, but i’m also polish, and we kinda need NATO right now, with the whole Russia thing at our doorstep. i know it’s not ideal, but fuck, not many other options out there and i do enjoy not being forcibly drafted to war

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      7 days ago

      Yeah maybe don’t allow US to antagonize Russia Shall we go back in history

    • алсааас [she/they]@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
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      2 months ago

      your bourgeois state needs NATO, not the working ppl living in Poland

      In an inter-imperialist war, shouldn’t socialists from an outside country support neither side and shouldn’t socialists from a country participating in said war employ revolutionary defeatism towards “their own” bourgeois state?

      the answer to a regional imperialist power is not the largest imperialist block in the history of humanity(!)

      after all, a socialist has no country and belongs to no nation. just like working ppl everywhere

      EDIT: cmiw but isn’t supporting one bourgeois state over another and thinking of it as “one’s own” contrary to anarchist thought?

      • shneancy@lemmy.world
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        2 months ago

        being an anarchist (or a working person) doesn’t particularly help with not being forcibly drafted, and neither would Putin care if i told his goons “hey can you not bomb me and my family, you see, i’m an anarchist and this is not my war :)”

        like i get the theory of what you’re saying, but the practice is a bit less wordy and more- bomby. is NATO my ideal version of reality? no, of course not. am i glad it’s a thing as someone living in poland? fuck yes i am. i can’t really work towards helping people realise capitalism bad if i’m dead

        • алсааас [she/they]@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
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          2 months ago

          this is not supposed to be a “gotcha” or anything like that

          I’d just like to make you aware that in the sense of preventing invasion from the RF, NATO is kinda redundant, since the EU has a mutual defence clause that would trigger in such a case