Gaza has never stopped being under Israeli occupation since 1967
False, Israel left Gaza in 2005, the blockade started after Hamas fired rockets into Israel.
Hamas only exists because of the Apartheid Occupation of Israel and the daily violence that has subjected Palestinians to for generations.
False, Hamas is a modern, local, branch of the Muslim Brotherhood. A movement that was already active in the area in 1929 (1929 Palestine riots).
Israel has always been the obstacle for peace, and has been the one preventing a ceasefire.
This is why Israel has peace with Jordan and Egypt. Yes. Also, remind me, who broke the ceasefire on 2006? On 2023? Not Israel.
It is not ‘99% Muslim because they murdered everyone else’ that’s an insane racist lie. Palestine has historically been a safe haven for people of every religion seeking asylum from persecution.
Like the Jewish people that lived in Gaza in 1929?
Like the Jewish people of Zfat in (1834 looting of Safed as an example, there are more)?
The Christian population in most, if not all, Muslim controlled territories has declined due to persecution by Muslims.
Gaza has never stopped being under Israeli occupation since 1967
True, already gave quotes and sources
Hamas only exists because of the Apartheid Occupation of Israel and the daily violence that has subjected Palestinians to for generations.
Also true. Hamas was established during the First intifada against the Israeli occupation in 1987, and has its origins in Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood movement, which had been active in the Gaza Strip since the 1950s and gained influence through a network of mosques and various charitable and social organizations.
This is why Israel has peace with Jordan and Egypt.
Because they are US client States. Peace with Jordan and Egypt never meant peace with Palestinians. In fact quite the opposite, it’s enabled Israel to continue the daily violence of Occupation and Apartheid.
Also, remind me, who broke the ceasefire on 2006? On 2023? Not Israel.
There is no peace under a violent occupation and Apartheid. Palestinians have never been able to live in peace. Anti-colonialist violence is bound to happen in response to Colonialism.
Like the Jewish people that lived in Gaza in 1929? Like the Jewish people of Zfat in (1834 looting of Safed as an example, there are more)? The Christian population in most, if not all, Muslim controlled territories has declined due to persecution by Muslims.
1929 Riots
Palestinian politics was driven not only by poverty but also by religion, particularly in Jerusalem. The religious nature of al-Husayni’s own leadership as the highest religious dignitary in the land, whose authority stemmed from a Jerusalemite genealogy, turned the attention of many Palestinians to Zionist activity in that city. In 1929, when sporadic acts of violence surrounding the issue of holy places in Jerusalem turned into days of rioting, al-Husayni was unprepared. He had sensed rising tension in Jerusalem in 1928, in the face of a suspected Jewish drive to expand the Wailing Wall area, which would have undermined the holiest place for Islam in Jerusalem, Haram al-Sharif, the site of the al-Aqsa mosque. He hoped to exert control by establishing a committee for the defence of Jerusalem in 1928, to counteract any Zionist attempts to build a third Temple there.
Ironically, al-Husayni lost control because he was now trusted by a wider range of Palestinians than anyone in his family before him. The a’ayan traditionally valued ambiguity and caution as the best means of navigating their communities through times of trouble. In 1928, this meant simultaneously calling for the defence of Jerusalem and discouraging direct action on the ground. But the Palestinian masses found this kind of co-opted nationalism impossible. They lived near the holy places and saw Jews praying there in unprecedented numbers, which they saw as part of a larger scheme to ‘de-Islamize’ Palestine. A minor incident concerning prayer arrangements near the Wailing Wall, the western wall of the Haram, sparked violence that soon swept through Palestine as a whole in 1929. In all, 300 Jews and a similar number of Palestinians were killed.
The spillover of anger from Jerusalem into the countryside and other towns was not a co-ordinated plan by the leadership. Rather, it started with uprooted Palestinians who had lost their agricultural base for various reasons, including the capitalization of crops and the Jewish purchase of land. These former peasants lived on the urban margins, from where they participated in what to them was their first ever political, and violent, action. Their dismal conditions were not the fault of Zionism, but it was easy to connect Zionist activity in Jerusalem with the purchase of land or with an aggressive segregationist policy in the labour market.
Those pogroms in 1834 was certainly motivated by Antisemitism, exploited under the conditions of Egyptian occupation. But no, you cannot paint the an entire people as antisemitic because of this.
That’s a pathetic attempt to discredit Nur Masalha’s tremendous amount of credentials and works as a historian. You have no clue what you’re talking about, as evident by your lack of interest in source materials about the subject, including reports by Human Rights Organizations and books by Israeli and Palestinian historians.
A. Having credentials does not mean one produces quality work. The academic system is broken.
B. I ignore all ‘sources’ that skip basic inconvenient facts to support their narrative.
C. The basic facts of the region include brutality and conflict from all sides. The Palestinians are not some holy angels. They were fucked by history, but they are not victims.
D. There is no one consistent definition of Palestinian. Even UNRWA made a mess of the matter. For example, they included Arab job seekers that got stuck in the region.
E. Point D. is important, as a more consists definition is required. For a long term solution. One that is not ‘from the river to the sea’ or forever war. We are entering into a period of rapid changes (not for the better) due to climate change. If no solution will be found soon, there will never be one. As we are losing our ability to build.
F. If someone feel joy from mass murder (covering it up in terms like resistance dose not change what it is) he is a stain on humanity.
I will read your next reply, but will not reply to it.
Let break it down.
False, Israel left Gaza in 2005, the blockade started after Hamas fired rockets into Israel.
False, Hamas is a modern, local, branch of the Muslim Brotherhood. A movement that was already active in the area in 1929 (1929 Palestine riots).
This is why Israel has peace with Jordan and Egypt. Yes. Also, remind me, who broke the ceasefire on 2006? On 2023? Not Israel.
Like the Jewish people that lived in Gaza in 1929? Like the Jewish people of Zfat in (1834 looting of Safed as an example, there are more)? The Christian population in most, if not all, Muslim controlled territories has declined due to persecution by Muslims.
True, already gave quotes and sources
Also true. Hamas was established during the First intifada against the Israeli occupation in 1987, and has its origins in Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood movement, which had been active in the Gaza Strip since the 1950s and gained influence through a network of mosques and various charitable and social organizations.
Because they are US client States. Peace with Jordan and Egypt never meant peace with Palestinians. In fact quite the opposite, it’s enabled Israel to continue the daily violence of Occupation and Apartheid.
There is no peace under a violent occupation and Apartheid. Palestinians have never been able to live in peace. Anti-colonialist violence is bound to happen in response to Colonialism.
1929 Riots
pg 138
A History of Modern Palestine - Ilan Pappe
Those pogroms in 1834 was certainly motivated by Antisemitism, exploited under the conditions of Egyptian occupation. But no, you cannot paint the an entire people as antisemitic because of this.
Other Historian Works on the History
Palestine: A Four Thousand Year History - Nur Masalha
The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948 - Nur Masalha
The Hundred Years’ War on Palestine - Rashid Khalidi
The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine - Ilan Pappe
The 1967 Arab-Israeli War: Origins and Consequences - Avi Shlaim
The Biggest Prison on Earth: A History of the Occupied Territories - Ilan Pappe
The Gaza Strip: The Political Economy of De-development - Sara Roy
10 Myths About Israel - Ilan Pappe (summery)
Are really going after the words of grade F pseudo historians of the like of Nur Masalha? LOL
What a waste of time
That’s a pathetic attempt to discredit Nur Masalha’s tremendous amount of credentials and works as a historian. You have no clue what you’re talking about, as evident by your lack of interest in source materials about the subject, including reports by Human Rights Organizations and books by Israeli and Palestinian historians.
A. Having credentials does not mean one produces quality work. The academic system is broken.
B. I ignore all ‘sources’ that skip basic inconvenient facts to support their narrative.
C. The basic facts of the region include brutality and conflict from all sides. The Palestinians are not some holy angels. They were fucked by history, but they are not victims.
D. There is no one consistent definition of Palestinian. Even UNRWA made a mess of the matter. For example, they included Arab job seekers that got stuck in the region.
E. Point D. is important, as a more consists definition is required. For a long term solution. One that is not ‘from the river to the sea’ or forever war. We are entering into a period of rapid changes (not for the better) due to climate change. If no solution will be found soon, there will never be one. As we are losing our ability to build.
F. If someone feel joy from mass murder (covering it up in terms like resistance dose not change what it is) he is a stain on humanity.
I will read your next reply, but will not reply to it.