That thread is like a bizarro world Hexbear where instead of celebrating death upon the whiteys and unlimited genocide on the first world, they’re just boring old racists. We’ve flipped their racism on its head so thoroughly that going there and reading it feels downright exploitative, it’s so primitive and boring. They even linked the DPRK army orchestra playing Killing in the Name Of video, as if it wasn’t cool as hell? We literally live in opposite versions of reality.
Oh, also, they’re unironically Hitler. Sometimes you forget that the “unlimited genocide on the first world” meme is a sarcastic inversion of the sentiment these groyper fashoids hold in earnest.
Honestly it would be so cool if it was real. It’d be like how when people say Winnie the Pooh is banned in China then you show them people having fun in the Winnie the Pooh part of Disneyland Shanghai; someone says “uhh actually they don’t have any Western media in NK” yeah ok buddy then explain this!
My issue with using this video as agitprop is that the subtlety of all the liberal aussies jerking off about their individualism and their unique self expression, while all ironically sounding exactly the same and having the same haircut, would 100% be lost on the target of the agitprop. We need more blatant agitprop, this cinematic, poetic irony stuff is never gonna work on pre-sapient westerners.
I mean, as much as the “MAGA Communism” people are disgusting fascists who share almost nothing with us, their ability to convince some limited number of reactionaries that communism is good (and the weird, revised version of communism that is more like what American history books teach than reality) despite being very blatant about the symbolism and the language of their movement needs to be studied. I think that the prevalent pipeline theory of leftist radicalization, where people need to be held by the hand to become socdems first, then demsocs, gradually getting more radical in several steps, is not necessarily complete and could be complemented with an understanding of cases where being exposed to a radically different mode of analysis and ideology can be convincing to someone who currently feels they don’t have a system through which to understand the world.
But yeah, if you try to quote Lenin to a very self confident lib you’re probably going nowhere. Those people need to learn humility first, which is why I support an American century of humiliation
To expound on @Cowbee@hexbear.net’s point, ideology is not, nor ever has been a linear progression.
Not to harp on it but ideology is primarily informed by material conditions, and our general awareness of the state of ideology is primarily informed by the media.
So what does this mean?
By my just talking to people and attending every advertised meeting I know of, there are more leftists in the U.S. than there have ever been, and to be sure these leftists are more ideologically coherent and informed by deteriorating conditions than ever before, with many of them never even stopping at socdem (as they were too young to ever be actually ideological Berners). However, because their ideology is informed by material conditions, they are not cavalier in proselytizing those ideological beliefs, because they know that the fascism is coming/already here. The ones that are more cavalier are often more cavalier because they do not have a choice to hide and be mentally sound (transitioning people in particular).
However, from the outside it would appear as though these people do not exist, as they will not get interviewed, and if they do they will usually be cautious on what exactly they say on camera. To be frank, in any ad hoc leftist meeting I have attended, even in deeply conservative areas, MAGA communists are an absolute minority, but they are not cautious because they are (for lack of a better term) pretty much all morons who do not care who records them or what they say on camera, because their beliefs are not usually informed by material precarity, but more by personal conviction.
The issue is that solid comrades are often waiting for a direction to be pushed into.
I don’t necessarily believe in a linear leftward path. My claim is that AES is best approached diagonally or from the side, flanking it, when dealing with such ignorant chauvanism like above. Simple, factual showcasing of real people in the DPRK eliminates the absurd claims of “never seeing a computer or smartphone.” The narratives are combatted easily with simple video, when you over-leverage liberals shut down and cease all receptiveness.
That thread is like a bizarro world Hexbear where instead of celebrating death upon the whiteys and unlimited genocide on the first world, they’re just boring old racists. We’ve flipped their racism on its head so thoroughly that going there and reading it feels downright exploitative, it’s so primitive and boring. They even linked the DPRK army orchestra playing Killing in the Name Of video, as if it wasn’t cool as hell? We literally live in opposite versions of reality.
Oh, also, they’re unironically Hitler. Sometimes you forget that the “unlimited genocide on the first world” meme is a sarcastic inversion of the sentiment these groyper fashoids hold in earnest.
I thought that video was a composite of a video of the DPRK Army Orchestra and the audio of some other orchestra playing “Killing in the name of”.
It is fake IIRC, but is cool as hell nonetheless.
Honestly it would be so cool if it was real. It’d be like how when people say Winnie the Pooh is banned in China then you show them people having fun in the Winnie the Pooh part of Disneyland Shanghai; someone says “uhh actually they don’t have any Western media in NK” yeah ok buddy then explain this!
My go-to is We Went to North Korea to Get a Haircut.
My issue with using this video as agitprop is that the subtlety of all the liberal aussies jerking off about their individualism and their unique self expression, while all ironically sounding exactly the same and having the same haircut, would 100% be lost on the target of the agitprop. We need more blatant agitprop, this cinematic, poetic irony stuff is never gonna work on pre-sapient westerners.
See, more blatant agitprop usually just gets filtered and ignored IMO.
I mean, as much as the “MAGA Communism” people are disgusting fascists who share almost nothing with us, their ability to convince some limited number of reactionaries that communism is good (and the weird, revised version of communism that is more like what American history books teach than reality) despite being very blatant about the symbolism and the language of their movement needs to be studied. I think that the prevalent pipeline theory of leftist radicalization, where people need to be held by the hand to become socdems first, then demsocs, gradually getting more radical in several steps, is not necessarily complete and could be complemented with an understanding of cases where being exposed to a radically different mode of analysis and ideology can be convincing to someone who currently feels they don’t have a system through which to understand the world.
But yeah, if you try to quote Lenin to a very self confident lib you’re probably going nowhere. Those people need to learn humility first, which is why I support an American century of humiliation
To expound on @Cowbee@hexbear.net’s point, ideology is not, nor ever has been a linear progression.
Not to harp on it but ideology is primarily informed by material conditions, and our general awareness of the state of ideology is primarily informed by the media.
So what does this mean?
By my just talking to people and attending every advertised meeting I know of, there are more leftists in the U.S. than there have ever been, and to be sure these leftists are more ideologically coherent and informed by deteriorating conditions than ever before, with many of them never even stopping at socdem (as they were too young to ever be actually ideological Berners). However, because their ideology is informed by material conditions, they are not cavalier in proselytizing those ideological beliefs, because they know that the fascism is coming/already here. The ones that are more cavalier are often more cavalier because they do not have a choice to hide and be mentally sound (transitioning people in particular).
However, from the outside it would appear as though these people do not exist, as they will not get interviewed, and if they do they will usually be cautious on what exactly they say on camera. To be frank, in any ad hoc leftist meeting I have attended, even in deeply conservative areas, MAGA communists are an absolute minority, but they are not cautious because they are (for lack of a better term) pretty much all morons who do not care who records them or what they say on camera, because their beliefs are not usually informed by material precarity, but more by personal conviction.
The issue is that solid comrades are often waiting for a direction to be pushed into.
I don’t necessarily believe in a linear leftward path. My claim is that AES is best approached diagonally or from the side, flanking it, when dealing with such ignorant chauvanism like above. Simple, factual showcasing of real people in the DPRK eliminates the absurd claims of “never seeing a computer or smartphone.” The
narratives are combatted easily with simple video, when you over-leverage liberals shut down and cease all receptiveness.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
It’s as fake as the video of the Ukrainian military band playing the Cruel Angel’s Thesis (which is to say, yes, it’s a composite)