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    11 hours ago

    Cheney started two pointless wars that got nearly a million people killed and left nearly every single person affected worse off except for Raytheon executives and maybe the Taliban.

    Ron DeSantis and Greg Abbott have enacted extreme transphobic policies. Abbott made it so that if you know a trans person receiving care and don’t rat them out to the cops, you could face legal consequences yourself - and he diverted resources from underfunded and overworked social workers away from kids facing actual abuse to breaking up loving and supportive families.

    These people have had direct material impacts on the lives of everyday people - they have even had a direct material impact on me, personally. January 6th didn’t. It’s bad sure, but it’s not so much worse than the rest of the conservative platform that Trump is uniquely evil or that anyone who doesn’t see it that way is a “fucking psychopath.”

    January 6th wasn’t even the worst thing he’s done, not by a longshot. Like, at least use his COVID response or immigration as your go-to example, like, something that directly affected everyday people and not just politicians.

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      These things aren’t the same. No one is arguing america is a country with perfect morals and is incorruptible. I dare you to try and find one that is.

      Trump up ending the norms of our government and threating authoritative rule is beyond anything we’ve seen here in the states. If you want to minimize the implications that’s on you but it’s psychopathic to think no-holds-barred, with complete support of the the supreme court, will be better or the same as the current state things. This is not pluracy this is escalation and if you’re too dumb, or just being disingenuous, I think everyone on every side of this will soon come to understand the Pandoras box being opened here.

      Good luck to you. If I ever meet you, though, please remind me of your views so I can know how degenerate you are before carrying on any normal interaction.

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        My brother came back from the war extremely fucked up, started shooting meth to “self-medicate,” tore my family apart and made our lives a living hell, before he finally reached a breaking point and went out to some innocent family’s house with a gun before the police stopped him by shooting him in the arm. I want you to try to imagine what it’s like to hear that an immediate family member might be dying, and feeling nothing but relief that the hell they’ve been putting you through might be ending. That is what Dick Cheney and his ilk did to me.

        But when you sat on your couch watching some guy steal a podium, I'm sure that was roughly equally traumatic.

        I know I’m just a dumb idiot for caring about the tears in my mother’s eyes. I know I’m a disengenuine degenerate for seeing that and realing how much worse the other side had it than we did, for considering that people living in Iraq and Afghanistan are actual human beings and that an entire generation of children grew up terrified of sunny days because that’s when our planes and drones flew. But maybe despite the fact that I’m a huge fucking dumbass for caring about the mass slaughter of innocent people, maybe, just maybe, you could take my concerns seriously anyway instead of condescending to me.

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          My heart goes out to you my dude. There is only more of that if Trump wins. Will the democrats offer any more hope, no. Sorry, that’s not what I’m selling. What I’m selling is another opportunity for you to fight for your brother.

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            Don’t make me laugh. My brother is dumbass fascist who watches shit like OAN. “Another opportunity to fight for my brother,” fuck my brother. The only reason anybody should give a shit about him is preventing him from being a danger to others. How about let’s fight for the people he killed, injured, and threatened? How about we start by throwing every politician responsible for those pointless, unjustified wars of aggression behind bars, if not worse?

            It was under Obama that my brother “served” (if you can call it that). He could’ve ended it right then and there and saved countless lives, but he didn’t, and instead doubled-down. Biden was VP during those 8 years and fully agreed with that policy. Then he became president and has us involved in a proxy war through Israel where people are getting slaughtered at an even faster rate than before. Now, we have Harris, his VP, who’s fully on board with his policies.

            I have nothing but hatred for all of these people. And that includes Trump, because Trump is a hawk, but let’s not pretend that he’s somehow uniquely hawkish or uniquely horrible. You say “There is only more of that if Trump wins.” That’s true, but there is only more of that if Harris wins too.

            You want my vote, run a dove. When was the last time they offered us a chance to vote for peace? It’s never going to happen until enough people stand up to them and demand it.

            “If you stick a knife in my back 9 inches and pull it out 6 inches, there’s no progress. If you pull it out all the way that’s not progress. Progress is healing the wound that the blow made. And they haven’t even pulled the knife out, much less healed the wound. They won’t even admit that the knife is there.”

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                I care about people taken advantage by a broken system, which is why I talk about the issues that have actually affected people.

                How dare you lecture me about being “dispassionate” about my brother’s suffering, about being a “psychopath” for not caring about him. You have no idea - not even the smallest iota of comprehension - of what I went through to bring me to that point with him. Imagine being a 9-1-1 operator on call 24/7 for a year. Imagine that every time you logged on to social media like Facebook, you had to worry that he might see you were on and start dumping all sorts of accusations and conspiracy theories and trauma and if you didn’t get involved he’d make a big deal out of that too. Imagine trying to do all that while working 60 hour weeks back-to-back at Amazon.

                And just for the record, I stayed in contact with him longer than my sister did, and she’s one of you.

                How smug and condescending can you possibly get? To call me a “psychopath” because I wrote him off as dead to me after he turned my life into a constant living hell, after he threatened innocent people. On top of that, I’m trans and a big part of why I’m still in the closet with my family is because of him.

                You liberals get to sit around, safely separated from all the pain and suffering you cause, and then you have the audacity to judge the people who have to pick up the pieces of your shit that your people caused. You don’t like who I am, well tough shit, because the people and policies you support are what turned him into what he became and what turned me into who I am.

                I hope someday you get to experience blowback too. I wonder how long you could bear it before you became “a psychopath.”

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                    Of course not. A lot of work is done to keep Americans isolated from the effects of American policy so that we don’t understand the consequences of our actions. The idea that something like this could have slipped through the cracks and given me a glimpse of how the other half of the world lives is incomprehensible to you.

                    But the barrier isn’t going to last forever, and every day more and more cracks start to show. You can hide away and shut your eyes to the pain and suffering you cause but that doesn’t make it go away. The karma’s just building up, more and more every day, and god help us all when it finally manifests.

                    I’m curious why, if I was going to make up a story, why I would include such negative feelings towards my brother. Just to make myself look worse? You’re free to believe what you want, I’m just a stranger on the internet, but if I were going to make something up it wouldn’t be that.