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    2 months ago

    some of the jim crow laws were into effect in the late 1800s

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      2 months ago

      Yes, but the Italians didn’t care about that, because they based Fascism (which they invented) on Roman laws, particularly the Empire period.

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        2 months ago

        and then nazis did the same, inspired by these laws.

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          Again, the Italians invented Fascism and it had nothing to do with America.

          Italian Fascism was rooted in Italian Nationalism, which borrowed heavily from their ideas about the Roman Empire.

          The Nazis didn’t even exist when Italian Fascism was developing, because it was happening during WW1.

          After WW1, some Germans were reeling from the loss of the war and latched onto this new hyper nationalist idea that the Italians had invented.

          Only after Mussolini seized power in 1922, did Hitler come into the picture. He tried his Beer Hall Putsch in 1923.

          It’s important to note that in 1923, the Nazis still didn’t have a coherent platform beyond hyper nationalism, and even that was shaky because Germany hadn’t actually existed for all that long.

          After the Beer Hall Putsch, Hitler went on trial and became a national figure in Germany. The face of the Nazi movement. And as such, he needed a coherent set of ideals and shit. Which he came up with in prison. Well, a swanky castle prison with all his friends and comfortable rooms and shit.

          Anyway, it was during the 5-year prison sentence where Hitler wrote Mein Kampf, and finally had a coherent sounding ideology for the Nazi movement.

          A full decade after the Italians had theirs.

          Now, Hitler was also obsessed with the books of Karl May, who was a young adult fiction writer in Germany. May wrote books centered on the American West, even though he had never actually been to America, and didn’t speak English.

          That’s where America finally comes in to things.

          So when Hitler finally rose to power in 1933, he could then look at what America was doing to crib some laws. But even then, the Nuremberg laws were more inspired from Russian laws around Jews than what was going on in America.

          Oh yeah, the Russians really hated Jews. You couldn’t be a 1900s antisemite without bowing to the superior hatred shown by the Russians, particularly under the Tsars. But that’s an entirely different history lesson.