When charging a phone wirelessly, there is sometimes significant heat generated. That combined with higher charging rates that are now coming out with the Qi 2 standard make me wonder what the ideal charge for the battery would be.

Most of the time I just toss my phone onto a wireless charger before bed, and don’t really care how quickly it charges. Would it be better to use a 5W brick with a charging pad? Should wireless be avoided and usb used instead?

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    11 minutes ago

    My pixel 7 has adaptive charging. If there’s an alarm set and I charge it at night, it paces the charging to be full near the time I’m getting up.

    So it’s doing what it can to preserve battery health.

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    8 hours ago

    The very healthiest way? But maybe you won’t like it :)

    Don’t charge above 80%, don’t discharge below 20%, charging current at 1/10 of the capacity, and always keep the thing at average room temperature.

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      Don’t charge above 80%, don’t discharge below 20%

      This how I keep my phones healthy for 4-5 years at a time. I only this year upgraded my Pixel 4a 5G to a 7a, and only because Graphene EOLd the 4a.

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      8 hours ago

      My A52s has a built-in function to not let it charge above 80. I keep it on unless I need the extra 20% for instance when I’m away for a while.

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      8 hours ago

      I was actually thinking of using the battery charge limit feature to prevent charging above 90%. Not sure I could do 80 without an charge during the day, lol

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    Given qi2 uses magnets to properly align the coils in the phone and the charger, it should result in generating less heat and overall greater efficiency, so it very well may generate less or the same amount of heat [edit: despite the higher amount of energy transmitted ]… That is, if your phone supports it. But all things considered, it’ll unlikely ever be as efficient, and, hence, warmer than a regular wired charger. I mean, you’re pretty much going ac → dc in the power supply, then dc → ac in the inductive charger, then again ac → dc in the phone itself for no particular reason. That being said, pd also runs quite hot at times, so, IMO, smth like plain old 5v 1amp charger would be more preferable given the use-case

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    Check ifixit before you buy a phone, to make sure diy battery replacement is not too difficult. Then you don’t have to worry as much. Just figure on a swap or two during the phone’s lifetime.

    Other than that, keep charge level between 20% and 80% as someone said. But I think in that range, it’s ok to fast charge within reason.

    Supposedly starting in 2027, all phones sold in EU will have user replaceable batteries.

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    8 hours ago

    Technically, wired charging degrades the battery less than wireless charging, mainly because of the excessive heat generated by the latter. The same way slower wired charging generates less heat. Lower and upper charging limits also help (the tighter the better).

    But I personally don’t bother with it. In my experience, battery degradation and longevity mostly comes down to the “battery lottery”, comparable to the “silicon lottery” where some CPUs overclock/undervolt better than others. I’ve had phone batteries mostly charged with a slow wired charger degrade earlier and more compared to almost exclusively wireless charging others. No battery is an exact verbatim copy of another one. Heck, I had a 2 month old battery die on me after just ~20 cycles once. It happens.

    Sure, on average you might get a bit more life out of your batteries, but in my opinion it’s not worth it.

    The way I see it with charging limits is that sure, your battery might degrade 5% more over the span of 2 years when always charging it to 100% (all numbers here are just wild estimates and, again, depend on your individual battery). But when you limit charging to 80% for example, you get 20% less capacity from the get go. Unless of course you know exactly on what days you need 100% charge and plan your charging ahead of time that way.

    Something I personally could never be bothered with. I want to use my device without having to think about it. If that means having to swap out the battery one year earlier, then so be it.

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      Yeah I got lucky with my battery; it’s at 800 cycles currently and still holds plenty of charge for my daily use. A replacement kit is also only $50 so I figure there’s not much point in trying to be efficient for a marginal lifespan improvement. I’ll probably end up replacing it when it hits 1000.

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    6 hours ago

    Bought a Xiamoi a few years ago, always wired charging. Almost never charge overnight, rarely let it go below 20%. I don’t to 80, i just let it reach 100%. It usually lasts me around 2 days.

    It’ll decrease if i use the screen more (i’m not glued to my phone); it’ll significantly decrease if i check instagram too often.

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    8 hours ago

    Going wireless will always add a layer of energy loss, in this case heat, during charging, no matter if it is properly aligned with magnets or not. So first step to reducing heat is to charge wired only.

    Fast charging is also a way of generating more heat while charging, so limiting the charge speed is also a way to reduce that. If you’re going to charge your phone through the night, it’s probably a good idea to use a 5W brick to manually limit the charge speed. A quick way to enforce that is to use the USB-A port on the brick instead of the C port, that way the PD standard won’t be activated and will charge at a slower rate. (Though if your phone fast charges through USB-A like Quick Charge or SuperVOOC, it will not default to 5W. Use a cheapo brick or a computer USB-A port instead.)

    Last would be to limit the charge level to 80%. Batteries are the most stable at half charge and stressed at both extremes, but that’s not practical for anyone to limit their devices between 40~60% charge, so 20~80% is a better compromise. iPhones now have the ability to limit their charge to 80% or 90% in iOS 18, so set that if you can. On Android, you’ll need to see if your phone and OS supports it.