Welllll Marx did say you had to have a charismatic fascist leader to lead the revolution. Then once the means are seized he gives power back to the people. The caveats between point A and B and probably all of point A is what a liberal would take issue with
it’s the same bullshit under a different flag. the shit that happened in the eastern bloc was just as oppressive and authoritarian, the simple fact that it’s politically considered “left” and not “right” doesn’t make it any better.
and the worst part about this world view is that it tends to divide the world into two groups of authies that are the same group that larp against each other, and a bunch of indecisive schmucks in the middle who are weak for not “fully embracing” their “side” and joining one of the two groups. while what’s really happening is that those schmucks are just capable of empathy unlike the tankies or nazis who insist they don’t totally do the same shit as each other.
No the Nazis did not do central economic planning and the USSR did not believe the strong should rule the weak nor did they believe in creating a “master race” by exterminating the perceived other and before you say much GuLaGs a Gulag is a prison in which you serve time by working, similar to private prisons in the US however it wasn’t done on the basis of exchange value but labour time.
i’m hungarian. you don’t have to explain to me how the soviets operated, it deeply permeates our culture.
central economic planning and master races are not what this is about. we’re talking about oppression, and lots of politically left ideologies did that a lot. the book 1984 was so scary not because it’s an exploration of an oppressive society, but because the particular flavor of that oppression matches the soviet ideology so well that up until the collapse of the USSR it was a very real possibility that its world would come true.
add to that that most modern-day tankies care a lot less about central planning, all they really want to do is dunk on the west, and end up propping up russia and china in the process, with all their hateful baggage.
Oppresion is on a different dimension; authoritarian (the extreme version is what you said) to libertarian (the extreme version is anarchism). It has no relation to the left or right wing. You can oppress people to be capitalists or socialists.
Marxism-leninism isn’t fascist though
OP didn’t mention it, yet you felt the need to defend it.
Yeah a lot of libs call Marxist-Leninist fascists
Welllll Marx did say you had to have a charismatic fascist leader to lead the revolution. Then once the means are seized he gives power back to the people. The caveats between point A and B and probably all of point A is what a liberal would take issue with
No he didn’t, fascism as an ideology came about in the 20th century, it wasn’t around in the 1800’s.
I’m sorry that should have read authoritarian. In my head they’re the same thing
it’s the same bullshit under a different flag. the shit that happened in the eastern bloc was just as oppressive and authoritarian, the simple fact that it’s politically considered “left” and not “right” doesn’t make it any better.
and the worst part about this world view is that it tends to divide the world into two groups of authies that are the same group that larp against each other, and a bunch of indecisive schmucks in the middle who are weak for not “fully embracing” their “side” and joining one of the two groups. while what’s really happening is that those schmucks are just capable of empathy unlike the tankies or nazis who insist they don’t totally do the same shit as each other.
No the Nazis did not do central economic planning and the USSR did not believe the strong should rule the weak nor did they believe in creating a “master race” by exterminating the perceived other and before you say much GuLaGs a Gulag is a prison in which you serve time by working, similar to private prisons in the US however it wasn’t done on the basis of exchange value but labour time.
i’m hungarian. you don’t have to explain to me how the soviets operated, it deeply permeates our culture.
central economic planning and master races are not what this is about. we’re talking about oppression, and lots of politically left ideologies did that a lot. the book 1984 was so scary not because it’s an exploration of an oppressive society, but because the particular flavor of that oppression matches the soviet ideology so well that up until the collapse of the USSR it was a very real possibility that its world would come true.
add to that that most modern-day tankies care a lot less about central planning, all they really want to do is dunk on the west, and end up propping up russia and china in the process, with all their hateful baggage.
Central economic planning is what socialism is about to solve the crisis of over production doing away with the profit motive.
Oppresion is on a different dimension; authoritarian (the extreme version is what you said) to libertarian (the extreme version is anarchism). It has no relation to the left or right wing. You can oppress people to be capitalists or socialists.
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