I’m sure this won’t end up just like the GOP immigrant caravans of ms-13 and disappear right after the election.

  • Neurologist@mander.xyzEnglish
    152·
    2 months ago

    What? Initiated by Israel you mean?

    Yeah a lot of people are ignoring Russian war crimes and I agree that’s a problem. But I don’t think you really understand what’s happening in Gaza given the meme you made.

  • Ephoron@lemmy.kde.social
    111·
    2 months ago

    I think the hypocrisy is yours.

    Hamas no more “initiated” Israel’s genocide than Russia were “provoked” into invading Ukraine.

    You don’t have to commit genocide to deal with an act of terrorism. You don’t have to commit genocide to deal with security concerns in your perceived sphere of influence. Neither act had justification, neither act was “initiated” by anyone but the accused governments.

  • Mk23simp@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    102·
    2 months ago

    I agree that both genocides are bad, but I disagree on a few points:

    1. The genocide of Palestinians has been going on since long before October 7. Hamas didn’t initiate it, they just performed a relatively minor act of retaliation which Israel used as an excuse to escalate the genocide.

    2. For those of us in the west, our own governments are supporting the latter genocide. So of course we’re more outraged about the blood that’s on our own hands (in some sense). I think that Russia should be stopped as well, but not sending weapons in support of a genocide seems like a pretty clear first step we should be taking.

  • Mighty@lemmy.world
    83·
    2 months ago

    ooof where to begin? literally NOBODY ignored the war in Ukraine. there are no “leftists” that agree with russias war on ukraine. There’s idiots who do.

    and “started by hamas”?! really? ignoring the fact that Hamas is literally founded and funded by Israel, they didn’t start the genocide. Israels expansion into the west bank has been going on since 1947.

    • Neurologist@mander.xyzEnglish
      62·
      2 months ago

      I agree this meme is bullshit but you’re comparing two sources that shouldn’t be compared.

      Your number for Gaza’s children is from the (hamas run) Gaza health ministry. While your number from Ukraine is from the UN has confirmed.

      The Ukrainian government has a much higher estimate for dead children than the UN. And the UN has confirmed far far low children deaths than the gaza health ministry.

      • OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world
        21·
        2 months ago

        You can substitute the UN figures and the issue is the same. I can’t find anything up to date, but feel free to share and I’ll update!

      • AgentDalePoopster@lemmy.world
        33·
        2 months ago

        The Gaza Heath Ministry has consistently provided accurate death counts in this and previous conflicts, to the point that their estimates are considered reliable by the US State Department. Only recently, since Israel escalated their genocide on Palestinians, have their figures been called into question because they make Israel look bad (as they should).