We’ve all heard stories of the dangers of 3D printing, with fires from runaway hot ends or dodgy heated build plates being the main hazards. But what about the particulates? Can they actually…
I just don’t go into the room with my 3d printer outside of checking on it, and then I usually forget that my print is done for like an hour so the smell (and hopefully cancer) is long gone.
I keep on hearing this but it does not check out for me.
I have a Prusa 3S+, self assembled. I do not do a great deal of printing and go through phases. I did a flurry of prints during the pandemic and then it rested idle in our rather cold and slightly damp study for a couple of years. When I bought it, it came with a spool of silver Prusament which worked nicely. I then bought a spool of “Sunlu” filament (Chinese firm off of Amazon) and then a box of 10 colours of the stuff.
I recently got the printer out and updated the firmware, re-calibrated it and so on. I’ve done several prints with filament that has been open to the environment for at least two or three years and its fine. I have done a print using some transparent filament which was unopened and that was fine too. The unopened stuff was vacuum shrunk wrapped so could not possibly be damp. The opened filament was stored in the original cardboard box in a slightly damp and unheated room.
For me the main issues for a decent print are:
Adhesion on the plate. I actually used glue for a print for the first time recently
First layer calibration. If the first layer is wrong, the rest is wrong. You need to get the right amount of “squashing” to get a smooth bottom
Always clean the plate between prints - a squirt of EPA and a decent rub with tissue whilst the bed is heating up does the job
Keep the guide rails lubricated - Mine whined that all three axes were too tight or just wrong and yet the Prusa app to check belt tightness and forum and wiki advice said it was fine. Any engineer will tell you to lube up when in doubt - do it! X, Y and Z.
I will try repeating a challenging print with filament that is way older now and see what happens. I printed a couple of tank models in red around four years ago. Both involved their turrets with the barrel facing upwards - that’s a lumpy cylinder about 4cm long and 2mm wide.
I have seen some notes about PLA being hydrophylic (absorbs water) on the Prusa website’s official advice but I don’t personally think it is an issue and people are probably missing another factor or factors that is fucking up their prints. I think the filament dampness meme is “cargo culting”.
PLA is heated to around 220C whilst being extruded so any water will steam off very quickly as water vapour - which is not even “wet”, well before worrying a print job.
PLA is touted as bio-degradable and it is … eventually. It is extremely stable, despite being derived from corn starch. It really doesn’t seem to care about a bit of water hanging around. That’s why I can print new hinges for a plastic garden storage thing to replace the original ones and they last through winters and summers in the UK.
So, if you think moisture is an issue for PLA filament used for 3D printing, why not do some experiments and then decide for yourself.
PLA is heated to around 220C whilst being extruded so any water will steam off very quickly as water vapour - which is not even “wet”, well before worrying a print job.
That’s the issue, when it “steams” out it changes the flow rate. My humid filament “drools” more, and isn’t as consistent as a fresh one. Once I’ve put the filament through my food dehydrator for a few hours it’s not as good as fresh, but it’s a lot better. This is only really an issue if I leave the filament out for months on end. If I’m printing like crazy and get through the spool quickly it’s not really an issue until towards the end. That’s the reason people have these fancy ass boxes to store their filament.
Perhaps, but have you actually tested this for yourself?
PLA is extruded at 220C in my Prusa beastie. Once the filament is slapped on the model, I probably want it to to fuse to the previous layer really well and then cool really fast and become stable.
We need to provide working and results rather than “I think that”. My printer is quite close to a very large double doors to outside, which open and shut as required.
I don’t have a 3D printer but if I did I would try to keep it in a basement or garage, or at least keep a window open
Uneven airflow results in bad prints. Better to set up a ventilator hood that exhausts outside.
Plus humidity is bad for your filament.
I just don’t go into the room with my 3d printer outside of checking on it, and then I usually forget that my print is done for like an hour so the smell (and hopefully cancer) is long gone.
I keep on hearing this but it does not check out for me.
I have a Prusa 3S+, self assembled. I do not do a great deal of printing and go through phases. I did a flurry of prints during the pandemic and then it rested idle in our rather cold and slightly damp study for a couple of years. When I bought it, it came with a spool of silver Prusament which worked nicely. I then bought a spool of “Sunlu” filament (Chinese firm off of Amazon) and then a box of 10 colours of the stuff.
I recently got the printer out and updated the firmware, re-calibrated it and so on. I’ve done several prints with filament that has been open to the environment for at least two or three years and its fine. I have done a print using some transparent filament which was unopened and that was fine too. The unopened stuff was vacuum shrunk wrapped so could not possibly be damp. The opened filament was stored in the original cardboard box in a slightly damp and unheated room.
For me the main issues for a decent print are:
I will try repeating a challenging print with filament that is way older now and see what happens. I printed a couple of tank models in red around four years ago. Both involved their turrets with the barrel facing upwards - that’s a lumpy cylinder about 4cm long and 2mm wide.
I have seen some notes about PLA being hydrophylic (absorbs water) on the Prusa website’s official advice but I don’t personally think it is an issue and people are probably missing another factor or factors that is fucking up their prints. I think the filament dampness meme is “cargo culting”.
PLA is heated to around 220C whilst being extruded so any water will steam off very quickly as water vapour - which is not even “wet”, well before worrying a print job.
PLA is touted as bio-degradable and it is … eventually. It is extremely stable, despite being derived from corn starch. It really doesn’t seem to care about a bit of water hanging around. That’s why I can print new hinges for a plastic garden storage thing to replace the original ones and they last through winters and summers in the UK.
So, if you think moisture is an issue for PLA filament used for 3D printing, why not do some experiments and then decide for yourself.
I’m happy to be proved wrong.
That’s the issue, when it “steams” out it changes the flow rate. My humid filament “drools” more, and isn’t as consistent as a fresh one. Once I’ve put the filament through my food dehydrator for a few hours it’s not as good as fresh, but it’s a lot better. This is only really an issue if I leave the filament out for months on end. If I’m printing like crazy and get through the spool quickly it’s not really an issue until towards the end. That’s the reason people have these fancy ass boxes to store their filament.
Perhaps, but have you actually tested this for yourself?
PLA is extruded at 220C in my Prusa beastie. Once the filament is slapped on the model, I probably want it to to fuse to the previous layer really well and then cool really fast and become stable.
We need to provide working and results rather than “I think that”. My printer is quite close to a very large double doors to outside, which open and shut as required.
I have a cheapo 3d printer and have ran into this numerous enough times enough that I built a plexiglass enclosure.