• cranakis@reddthat.com
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      5 hours ago

      My plan is to ignore nay sayers and vote and help others vote. Thought I was pretty clear about that.

      So basically ignore people like you… Vote anyway. That’s the plan.

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        3 hours ago

        The clarity of your plan was not in question.

        I asked a very simple question about that plan. Why do you think you can change the minds of all these people who currently are not going to vote, but you don’t think you can change the minds of the Democrat strategists?

        You seem to be implying that getting Democrats to actually change policy to help them win is a lost cause, but then have this tremendous optimism toward changing the minds of thousands of people, many of whom are withholding their vote in protest against genocide. I asked why.

        I did not ask “could you repeat your plan”. This is a discussion forum, it should have been obvious you might expect some scrunity of an argument put forth on it. If your intention is to ignore “naysayers” then might I suggest a discussion forum is not the best place for you to be posting. Maybe a blog, or Substack?

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          2 hours ago

          I don’t agree that the Dems need to change policy to win. Sure they could pick up some votes from the left but would sacrifice votes from other areas to achieve that. At the end of the day, those protesting will need to decide, Trump or not Trump. I hope enough of them will decide Harris is better and hold their noses, vote, then work from the inside on changing policy. That could actually work. If they don’t, and they help Trump get elected, things will be infinitely worse for the Palestinians.

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            I don’t agree that the Dems need to change policy to win. Sure they could pick up some votes from the left but would sacrifice votes from other areas to achieve that.

            What makes you think that, given the evidence to the contrary?

            At the end of the day, those protesting will need to decide, Trump or not Trump.

            Again, why are thousand of voters responsible for keeping Trump out, but not the Democrats?

            Or, a slightly different question, why do you pin your hopes on these thousands and not on the Democrats? Do you think they’re more likely to change their minds? Do you think people are actually going to vote in favour of a party committed to facilitating genocide, often of their distant relations, than the Democrats are to change policy.

            Don’t you think that’s an absolutely devastating indictment of democracy? That no amount of voting block pressure can actually get a party to change policy.

            work from the inside on changing policy.

            I don’t understand what this means. Voters vote. They don’t control party policy “from the inside”, they just vote on stuff.

            If they don’t, and they help Trump get elected, things will be infinitely worse for the Palestinians.

            And again, blaming the electorate for being moral, not blaming the Democrats for refusing to listen.