cross-posted from: https://lemmy.crimedad.work/post/138601

“That son of a removed, Bibi Netanyahu, he’s a bad guy,” said Biden privately, according to Woodward. “He’s a bad fucking guy!”

Reads like a bloody Onion article.

  • bishbosh@lemm.ee
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    2 months ago

    So… when America just- stops sending them arms, the next bidder steps in. That’s what happens. And that’s going to be either China or Russia.

    lol, holy shit

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      2 months ago

      Man… I’m really done wasting my time trying to explain simple concepts to far leftists. What a fucking waste of time.

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        2 months ago

        You really think China and Russia would give billions of free weapons to Israel?

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          2 months ago

          I really think they’d go to someone, and negotiates would ensue. I can’t predict the outcome because I’m not an idiot that makes assumptions.

          And again, I am not the one making these decisions. I’m simply offering an example of how it would be incredibly difficult to just simply- stop.

          Which is more than anyone that’s countering the argument.

          “It’s so easy! Just stop sending weapons! Break a trade agreement! No consequences at all because Israel is so well know as a nice and understanding nation!”

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            2 months ago

            Genuinely, who in the world has the capacity to give the level of aid the US gives to Israel. You say they would go to someone and don’t want to predict who it would be, then give a list. What countries would be able and remotely willing to even a 10th of what the US gives to Israel?

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              2 months ago

              I don’t get to make that assumption. The point you’re missing here is that it’s COMPLICATED. I gave a simple example of what might stall the “simple” decision to do as the leftists think would be so easy. (Bad auto-correct decision here, hope it fixed before read)

              They’ve come up with zero ideas or concepts of how it can be done, but my feet are held to the fire to illustrate why it’s complicated?

              That’s where we are now.

              Armchair geopolitical edgelords on the internet get to claim simplicity in ending trade policies, whereas someone who suggest it isn’t that easy is held to the task to explain it to people that are just going to brush it off with ad hominem attacks nay say.

              I’m done dude. I said what I felt needed be said. I’m not here to change kids as that’s fucking impossible. I knew this before I started and did it anyway.

              You cannot reason with a leftist.

              I’m just going to point and laugh from now on like everyone else does.

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                2 months ago

                The point is you can say “it’s complicated” about anything in the real world, yet things still happen. So the question, I’m still asking:

                If the group that is currently giving all the of weapons used stopped, where else could their weapons come from? What are some possibilities that would be even remotely close? And if at the end of all the considerations it’s a drastic reduction in how much violence they can do, or their ability to expand their violence in the region, isn’t that still better?

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                  2 months ago

                  So because someone doesn’t have all the answers to a hypothetical question, it’s full steam ahead with whatever the hive mind thinks should happen despite their ignorance on the topic?

                  I’m on the side with the leading experts that suggest that it’s not an easy thing to do, and it isn’t simplified just because it’s the right thing to do. You’re on the side of fellow internet randoms that disagree with the experts.

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                    2 months ago

                    I am not asking for all the answers, I am asking where could they get a fraction of the support they currently have?

                    I will grant you some things are complicated. “How do we get enough bombs to commit genocide” is a complicated question, and Israel currently has a single and seemingly endless answer in the US. So the one question I continue to have is where else would they go to replace what the US does for them? If it would make it more difficult and reduce the ability to commit a genocide, isn’t that better?

                    I find it interesting that you were so confident before saying ‘they would just go to China or Russia’, but instantly fall to nebulous “negotiations would ensue” and cries of the complicated nature when getting any push back.

                    The lone question you still seem so adverse to considering: If they didn’t get billions in bombs from the US, how else could Israel do this? Because you seem to believe with such certainty they could.