• essteeyou@lemmy.world
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    7 hours ago

    Maybe I’m being overly paranoid (this is Lemmy, after all), but doesn’t this seem like a step toward something troubling?

    1. Almost all of our devices are designed to use WiFi. Just try finding a laptop with an ethernet port, or a phone or tablet with wired connectivity. You can get adapters, sure, but they’re not standard anymore. I wouldn’t be surprised if game consoles eventually drop wired options altogether, or charge extra for them—like Sony does with the PS5 disc drive.
    2. ISPs have a track record of trying to control our internet experience—remember the fight over net neutrality? They’re always looking for ways to monetize data and restrict what we can access online.
    3. With long-range WiFi on the horizon, ISPs might find it cheaper to install one powerful broadcast device per neighborhood, similar to how 5G towers are deployed.
    4. And when that happens, it’s not that features like fiber to the home or port forwarding are gone, but they could be locked behind an extra fee. Want direct access to your own network settings? That might come at a premium. Even access to certain websites could become conditional on paying more, or worse, dictated by someone else’s agenda.
    • amorpheus@lemmy.world
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      2 hours ago

      And when that happens, it’s not that features like fiber to the home or port forwarding are gone, but they could be locked behind an extra fee. Want direct access to your own network settings? That might come at a premium. Even access to certain websites could become conditional on paying more, or worse, dictated by someone else’s agenda.

      They can do that right now. If this new wireless option is standardized, it would seem less prone to ISP shenanigans to me. Just a question whatever functionality makes it into the standard in the first place.

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      5 hours ago

      What are you talking about?

      This is not about streaming to a laptop or Internet access. This is about a long range, low power, low bandwidth network using 2.4GHz. It’s using 2.4GHz, like everyone else likes to, because it’s the “free” signal band that you don’t have to pay to license. It’s for sending the message “Sprinkler head 1039A is leaking” from a solar panel powered transmitter without having to run a data cable or network repeaters.

      It’s competition for Zigbee/Z-Wave/Matter. Not the herald of the ISP crackdown Armageddon.

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      5 hours ago

      Just tell them you have a low packet loss tolerance. The wire will never be cut. It can’t replace a wire for many use cases

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      7 hours ago

      I think the article is explaining that this is really just modifying wifi protocols to work over LoRa, to reduce LoRa costs.

      This will probably only be beneficial to people currently using LoRa.

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      6 hours ago

      I can find this believable in the US maybe (only stayed there for a few months and I heard nothing good, data caps on broadband is wild) but not a chance in countries with stricter regulations and guidelines on what the ISPs are allowed to do.

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    11 hours ago

    Ensuring that the system complies with industry standards and integrating security measures for cross-technology communication are also necessary steps, Gao adds.

    This is absolutely a huge factor that could make or break the technology if they don’t do this perfectly. This could be the single most important part of the tech.

    2.4 GHz is super saturated. The last thing we need is long range i.e. large footprint signals in already saturated spectrum. How this technology is deployed should either be not at all, or very carefully, to prevent widespread interference with existing WiFi devices. This spectrum is already on the verge of being complete trash. Please please do not be deploying more stuff on 2.4 spanning an entire “smart city.”

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      11 hours ago

      I actually ditched 2.4 gigahertz Wi-Fi on my home network entirely for this exact reason. If a device is not compatible with 5 gigahertz Wi-Fi, it doesn’t get purchased.

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        9 hours ago

        Do you live in a high density urban environment?

        Because if so, that totally makes sense, and the other benefit of 5GHz/6GHz not traveling too far outside your apartment or condo wall, is pretty nifty as well.

        But if you live in a house in the suburbs, man, that is commitment well outside of necessity, or convenience. Not saying it’s bad choice per se, just seems unnecessarily burdensome IMO.

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          7 hours ago

          In my experience, having a vr setup with vive body trackers consumes the 2.4ghz band really fast; so there are still reasons to swap in the suburbs, but they’re more niche.

          Source: my PC is too far away from the router for wired, so it uses wifi. I had to switch to using 5ghz because my internet would drop out on 2.4ghz whenever I played VRChat.

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          I live in a single family house, but the area has quite a few single family houses packed pretty close together. So there’s still a lot of traffic on 2.4 GHz.

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        11 hours ago

        It doesn’t just benefit you. You’re benefiting the current users of that spectrum that for one reason or another might not be able to switch.

        I suspect most users though couldn’t tell you what frequency their network uses let alone the devices on it.

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      9 hours ago

      Sounds like they basically crafted some special messages such that it’s nonsense at 2.4ghz but smoothes out to a LoRa message on a much much lower frequency band (<ghz).

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    11 hours ago

    I’m kinda looking forward to seeing how this pans out. Personally, I’d want to use it to make small, local hobby networks; kinda like how it used to be that basically anyone with a phone line could start an ISP.

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      Hell yes. Perhaps an interconnected network of mesh nodes could become an alternative FOSS internet within our lifetimes.